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Postby shuvit-tim » 23 Nov 2004, 00:08

okay i finally have a manta a axle!! hurrah!!
now.....how in the name of blighty do i fit it!? (its bloody heavy isnt it!)

All i know so far is you have to take off the mounting brackets and reverse them, welding them to the oppsoite side?

If anyone has a link to anywhere giving a fully comprehensive guide on how to do this it would be great as i've not fiddled with axles before and i presume it needs to be spot on to get everything balanced right :S

Failing that just good old advice would be great (please only definite knowledge rather than speculation here - as I will more than likely act on exactly what is posted lol)
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Postby Shoveitpusher » 23 Nov 2004, 09:04

as far as i remember you have to change the panhard rod mount the rest stays put. my panhard rod has also been cut and welded. the torque tube front mount may also have to change.

try
http://www.chevetterallycar.bravehost.com/backaxle.html
which is hsr2.6's site i think.

if you haven't done it by January i should be able to photograph my instalation.
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Postby hsr2.6 » 23 Nov 2004, 22:15

you have to relocate the panhard rod to the opposite side of the axle,just measure the distance from the back plate of the drum to the axle bracket of the p/h rod then go from the other side with the same measurement mark it and that should be it,torque tube goes in the same place but i'd advise putting a strengthening plate over where it bolts up as per sportpart manuel,you have to make sure that you've turreted the rear or the shox want fit........any more questions just mail me......
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Postby shuvit-tim » 24 Nov 2004, 13:38

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thought i'd stick this one up just to help me identify what bit is what given all my prior knowledge is from FWD and i dont knwo much about the running gear of anything! Could someone fill in the gaps to the key!! lol[/img]
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Postby shuvit-tim » 24 Nov 2004, 13:39

wow it worked, who knew?
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Postby Doive » 24 Nov 2004, 13:46

Don't take this as fact, but from my limited chevette axle experience (been under it enough times!) the list is as follows:

1 Diff
2 Torque Tube (I think)
3 Anti-roll bar
4 Panhard rod
5 Brake drum
6 Radius/trailing arm
7 Rear prop mount/bearing (again, I think)
8 Shock
9 Coil
10 Prop
11 Coil spring seat

If anyone knows any of these to be wildly inaccurate, please change them - I think they should be right though, from memory anyway! Hope this is of some use.
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Postby shuvit-tim » 24 Nov 2004, 18:31

oh by the way its the manta a axle shown above! cheers doive!
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Postby shuvit-tim » 24 Nov 2004, 18:33

i'll document and photo everything i do whilst fitting it and give you guys the comprehensive report to put up on this site as its such a common changeover. if you want it that is!
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Postby Doive » 24 Nov 2004, 18:49

As I say, my limited Chevette axle experience meant I never even spotted that it wasn't a Chevette axle!! I was sat thinking "Don't think mine has that rear prop support? Has it??" So that explains that then. Glad to be of some use.
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Postby JOCK » 26 Nov 2004, 18:22

Yeah stick your findings up Tim. I will be doing this conversion myself soon. I had secured a Manta A back axle from a guy and was ready to collect when i came across ****** on ebay and he had a Kadett rallye axle he said i could have so i let the Manta axle go. And then people wonder why i got it in for this guy? So i got to start looking again.
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Postby hsr2.6 » 26 Nov 2004, 18:39

just make sure you get one with a steel torque tube as the alloy ones tend to crack under heavy driving,the hardest part is welding in the rear turrets they need to be spot on in height,where you actually cut the hole for the turrets is simple,it's already in the boot between the rear chassis and the inner arch hope this helps :)
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Postby shuvit-tim » 26 Nov 2004, 22:36

yeah as soon as its done, which hopefully will be over christmas i'll put together with documents and photos and stuff giving a fully comprehensive guide on how to do it. i'll stick it up on a site and link it to the forum and send it to the moderators to stick up if they want it.

I have one axle with the steel torque tube and one without. Both seem in good nick with no bends or cracks on the diff etc. Presuming both are good I'll have one for sale, although it wont be with the torque tube. Any initial offers? As i said, good condition, a little surface rust but i'll clean that up and paint it up nice and pretty before i sell it
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Postby milko » 05 Jan 2005, 15:31

I'd be interested in your spare Manta A axle m8, and your guide to what you did to fit it. :D
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Postby shuvit-tim » 05 Jan 2005, 16:11

havent got round to fitting thebugger yet, but form what i know it isnt terribly difficult. The manta a axle thats is spare doesnt have the torque tube, but the rest is there. (you can pick up torque tubes off ebay for about 20 quid - a couple have gone recently) I wasnt looking to sell it until i'd fitted mine (just in case all went horribly pete tong!) but for the right price i could let you have it [i have to fund the purchase of an engine somehow]! make me an offer and we'll go from there! :P
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Postby milko » 07 Jan 2005, 22:54

hsr2.6 wrote:just make sure you get one with a steel torque tube as the alloy ones tend to crack under heavy driving,the hardest part is welding in the rear turrets they need to be spot on in height,where you actually cut the hole for the turrets is simple,it's already in the boot between the rear chassis and the inner arch hope this helps :)


Could you tell me more on the turreting bit, how come you need to do this, does the manta A axle have a different suspension setup?
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Postby hsr2.6 » 08 Jan 2005, 00:32

yes,the shox sit upright not at an angle
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Postby milko » 08 Jan 2005, 00:36

Mine look only slightly off straight up? Is it the same on a Saloon as a hatch, I have Saloon.
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Postby craigm » 08 Jan 2005, 00:57

if you have a saloon then you already have the correct(upright) turrets to fit a manta A or chevette HS axle . hatchback chevettes have slope (and hope) shock absorber position which is done to leave a bit more space inside the car .
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Postby milko » 08 Jan 2005, 01:00

RESULT! :D :P

Thanks for that, have my eye on a proper Manta A axle, with LSD etc, may well go buy it now! 8)
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Postby shuvit-tim » 08 Jan 2005, 05:43

you saying mine isnt proper Milko!? :o :wink:

I never realised that you had to turret the shocks to get the axle to fit on hatches! ah well - that adds another 24 hours to the work she'll need!

HSR2.6 is it listed how to turret the shocks on your site?
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Postby Doive » 08 Jan 2005, 07:21

Ha.....the saloon is better than the hatch.......razzzzzzz(joking!). :P Sadly it means that loads of saloons will have their turrets cut out by hatch owners to allow them to fit manta axles. There are far too many hatches about as it is - save the saloons!!
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Postby milko » 08 Jan 2005, 18:06

Saloons rock! :D

shuvit-tim - meant proper diff, am sure your axle is lovely! :lol: May still make an offer on it yet. :wink:
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Postby hsr2.6 » 08 Jan 2005, 19:33

there's no difference in rallying a hatch or a saloon,i've seen both in action.The only reason you don't see more of them is because dtv never made one for rallying...............
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Postby shuvit-tim » 08 Jan 2005, 19:39

she is lovely milko!

'manta A axle seeks caring owner - preferably with the name milko for fun and friendship - had enough of being tied down to an overweight lump of pig iron - wants a lighter model' :lol: :lol: :lol:

you wont find a more loving axle out there mate.

So you cant just fit the chevette hatch shocks upright - you have to use shocks from a saloon?
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Postby craigm » 08 Jan 2005, 20:29

or a manta if you haven't lowered it , gte's came with ' bilsteins' as standard .
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