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Postby Tortron » 18 May 2006, 09:31

wow nice, the steelies seem a bit of a let down tho
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Postby Neilyman » 18 May 2006, 10:37

Tortron wrote:wow nice, the steelies seem a bit of a let down tho


Are you looking at a different pic to me?...They`re normal HS Alloys ;)
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Postby CR500Dom » 18 May 2006, 11:17

But without a logbook there is no way of telling if its a genuine one or a replica :shock:

Nice car none the less but authenticity affects the price its worth :wink:

If he has nothing to back up the claims then its an HSR-arched rotten 3 door with a 2.3 twink in it :wink:

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Postby Shellysowner » 18 May 2006, 15:25

Well I asked about the car (the seller told me the reg. number but also asked me not to pass it on to anyone else). All I can say is that I've checked the list of 'famous' cars - i.e. those driven by Pentii, Pond, McRae etc. and its not one of those so clearly the value of the car is as a source of parts, basically a project all in one job lot.
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Postby Harry Flatters » 18 May 2006, 17:25

Tortron wrote:wow nice, the steelies seem a bit of a let down tho


Neilyman wrote:They`re normal HS Alloys


Minilites, I think, not Vega alloys - he does say they are.

Doesn't look like an original HS shell or block.

Shellysowner wrote:its not one of those so clearly the value of the car is as a source of parts


Depends on the history and origins, surely?
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Postby Shellysowner » 18 May 2006, 17:46

Harry Flatters wrote:Depends on the history and origins, surely?


Well, what I'm saying is if it has no particular pedigree and the shell is as rotten as he says then there's no point restoring that shell. As a DSG member do you have 'the list' of HSR reg's? If so I'll pm you the reg no. so long as you let me know what you find out.
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Postby Herbie_Flowers » 18 May 2006, 19:05

Shellysowner wrote:(the seller told me the reg. number but also asked me not to pass it on to anyone else).

quickly apply for the logbook Ralph and report the car stolen then you'll have a nice freebie :lol:
what information do the DVLA and AA websites give you :?:
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Postby Neilyman » 18 May 2006, 19:18

Harry Flatters wrote:
Tortron wrote:wow nice, the steelies seem a bit of a let down tho


Neilyman wrote:They`re normal HS Alloys


Minilites, I think, not Vega alloys - he does say they are.



My comment based upon crap pics & the fact the seller doesn`t seem to know much about it`s history, so every chance they are Vega`s as everyone who doesn`t know calls `em Minilites! But, hey, does it really matter? Defo not steels ;)
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Postby Herbie_Flowers » 18 May 2006, 19:27

the washer bottle looks like it's going to fall into a black hole and are those ghostly images :lol:
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Postby Shellysowner » 18 May 2006, 20:51

Herbie_Flowers wrote:
Shellysowner wrote:(the seller told me the reg. number but also asked me not to pass it on to anyone else).

quickly apply for the logbook Ralph and report the car stolen then you'll have a nice freebie :lol:
what information do the DVLA and AA websites give you :?:


Yeah that was the reason the seller gave for not wanting the reg bandied about.

DVLA just says its got a 2.3 litre engine, not even got the date for when the tax was last due :?
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Postby hillclimber » 18 May 2006, 21:45

how can you tell if its not an gen hs shell or block from a couple of foggy pics ,,sure its not got the same slam panel as an hs but that could have been replace at any time due to rot or damage and there aint no difference between hs blocks and bedford cf slant four blocks,, ive used cf blocks in engine rebuilds and there fine
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Postby Harry Flatters » 18 May 2006, 21:59

True, the slam panel may have been replaced due to accident damage, but that doesn't alter the accuracy of my comment. The HS block is different in appearance to the standard block.

Ralph, I think we were talking at cross purposes - I took you to mean a 'famous' car. I agree unless it has a traceable pedigree then it's no different from a modded 1256 hatch.
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Postby Doive » 19 May 2006, 09:51

I like the mk2 Cav parked next to it. Looks a bit of a rotbox to be quite honest, and it wouldn't surprise me if it was a dressed up 1256. It needs a fair bit of work.
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This one did not stay up for long....

Postby Andrew T » 19 May 2006, 13:21

Pulled off Ebay within 24 hours :cry:

looked like a good one!!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... RK:MEWA:IT

Just to add a little more fuel to this fire......
I contacted the seller of the 'rusty' one to be told by his wife that he is a long distance lorry driver, he would not be back home until Saturday, so I could not view before the end of the auction :?

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Postby Harry Flatters » 19 May 2006, 17:40

That second one's been on before.
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Postby hillclimber » 19 May 2006, 18:09

yes some hs blocks had extra webbing round the engine mounts but not them all ,one of mine still has the origonal block and its not strenghened but ive got a gen 2.6 block (says so on the side ) and it is strenghened,
think this is bash an hs owner time again
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Re: hs blocks

Postby Harry Flatters » 19 May 2006, 18:50

hillclimber wrote:think this is bash an hs owner time again


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Postby hillclimber » 20 May 2006, 15:05

ok you want an explanation,
first,
the dvla will tell you nothing about a car unless you are the registered keeper and are wlling to pay for the information.
secondly
you can tell nothing about the engine block from the pics on ebay apart from that its got a tc head,if you change the pistons and the pulleys on a sc 2.3 block you can bolt a tc head on no probs
third

every time an hs//hsr comes up for sale you try to find flaws in it whether its body or engine differences, but there is a few things you have to remember when you consider buying these type of cars, these are homologation specials so many of the road car variants ended up being used for compeitions such as hillclimbs,sprints, and road rallys so as these cars are at least 26 years old the are bound to have been repaired at some time,
even DTV as well as ford,talbot,, etc would have reshelled works cars and swaped id's so not many works cars on the go today are using the shell the used in the 70''s
there are a few really mint hs/hsr about,, terry cobbolds being just one but many more where bought as competion cars which after all was what tey where deigned for,, if vauxhall had'nt had to make 400ish hs chevettes the the wouldn't have.
so tell me how can you tell from the photo's that that dosent look like an hs block
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Postby Shellysowner » 20 May 2006, 15:17

hillclimber wrote: first,
the dvla will tell you nothing about a car unless you are the registered keeper and are wlling to pay for the information.

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Postby hgvdriver » 20 May 2006, 19:51

Hello,
Decided to join this group to add my comments to this posting. Let me explain.

I am the man who sold this car on e-bay. It seems there are many experts giving comments, and as stated by one member taking the p*** out of HS or HSR owners. Firstly I would like to point out that the HS seems to be a car which was well designed and bult to perform. It had some stiff competition when it was developed. Vauxhall did a good job of taking a rather humble car ' the Chevette ' and turning it into a winner.

It's a shame how prone they are to rust !!!!

Unfortunately the administration of data such as chassis number identification between an HS and other humble chevettes was less well done. Between an HS and HSR there was no difference at all on chassis ID 's. If they gave out a list of registration numbers for all of the cars produced and kitted to R spec it would have helped.

My thanks go to shellysowner and hillclimber for being frank and honest with their information / comments.

Experts of the mark know how to tell the differences from the 1256 to the HS bodyshell.

This car is a genuine HS and the documentation for it has now been located and will be forwarded to the new owner.
The block - well who knows, the rear number plate had DTV 2.6 written on it, so the buyers may have been lucky.
Wheels- definately minilites.
History of the car- I have known of it since 1994. It actually failed the Mot in 1995. the failure sheet was handed to the new owner.
I think it was fairer to those interested in the car to bid without anyone local having viewed it. it is difficult for those who live many miles away to view, and, it saved more fuel on this fire!!
PS. I was at work. Tachograph evidence if required.

I am pleased the car has gone to genuine Vauxhall enthusiasts who will possibly confirm it's authenticity on this string.
At least it will not be broken and sold as parts to people building 1256's into pretend HS's.

PS The cav in pics is a 1.8 LXI Mk2 reg E---TUB. my wifes ex car, taken off the road in 2000 to replace the rear vallance. It has now gone to be made into a bean tin, or maybe, a new press for vauxhall chassis plates.
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Postby hillclimber » 20 May 2006, 20:14

thanks hgvdriver for your reply,
shellysowner what information did you get from the dvla that you couldnt make out from the pics? they wont tell you engine or chassis no's or previous owners unless your the registered keeper,,
every one is entitled to there opinion but there are plently of threads on here where hs/hsr/hsx owners have theyre cars slagged off ,shame cos wevw all got a common aim
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Re: hs

Postby Shellysowner » 20 May 2006, 21:29

hillclimber wrote:thanks hgvdriver for your reply,
shellysowner what information did you get from the dvla that you couldnt make out from the pics? they wont tell you engine or chassis no's or previous owners unless your the registered keeper,,
every one is entitled to there opinion but there are plently of threads on here where hs/hsr/hsx owners have theyre cars slagged off ,shame cos wevw all got a common aim


Can you give an example of this 'slagging off' please Hillclimber. I'm sorry but I think you might be getting all steamed up over absolutely nothing here. No-one was insulting the car, we were just theorising as to what we though it was and more importantly what we thought it was worth. What did the DVLA website tell me? Not a lot, the date of first registration - I was mainly just posting it up as an example of what the DVLA do tell you for free (which is clearly more than nothing) and so that everyone else could see.

As for us all having a common aim, well most people on this forum's aim is to have a bit of a chat about Chevettes and to generally help promote their classic status as well as have a bit of banter and interesting debate. Your aim on the other hand seems to be to make an arguement out of nothing, an aim which I would request that you review and perhaps replace with something more suited to the site. In other words, just chill out!
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Postby Tortron » 20 May 2006, 23:03

Neilyman wrote:
Tortron wrote:wow nice, the steelies seem a bit of a let down tho


Are you looking at a different pic to me?...They`re normal HS Alloys ;)


ahh yes so they are, my bad
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Postby hillclimber » 23 May 2006, 20:10

my,seem to hav upset the apple cart,nt my intenion at all, but there have been quite a few cars offered for sale that have had there id's or origionalities questioned, i think even hgvs car or a black hsx that was on a while ago, but im not getting upset over it , just dont see why this goes on im an hs owner but i like to see any chevette hs or 1256 ,standard or modded as long as there chevettes then theres no probs, but as i said there is noway you could tell from the pics on e-bay that you could tell that that was an hs shell or block so why why say it.
this is a chevette site and we shouldn'd be knockin anybodys car


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