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Postby Doive » 29 Apr 2005, 00:34

Do you actually understand the expense and expertise required to run and maintain a 2002 turbo?? I know of hardened BMW fanatics who have shied away from one of these because of that. And also the challenge of finding a good one is always the problem. Parts from ebay won't do you much good either. Rare, expensive car. Be satisfied with something less expensive like a mk3 fiesta XR2 - nice car.
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Postby Herbie_Flowers » 29 Apr 2005, 00:40

Neilyman wrote:If I could find one,...a Fiat 132 Super Mirafiori....eek!

surely twin cam 131s only had the super mirafiori tag... 132s were just 132s or argentas
from an ex 131 mirafiori owner(i couldn't afford the insurance on a twin cam)


Neily.....You`re probably right on that, I knew a guy who had a 132 Mirafiori
thought super was just a `better` one :)
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Postby iety2004 » 29 Apr 2005, 01:02

Well not really look into running cost, i just think they are a nice car, any of the 2002 i like, the tubo just seems to be the icing on the car

My new way of think is

It got to be turbo, RWD or Both,

This is why don't want to get a car like a XR2,

i would however get a MK1 Xr2,
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Postby Neilyman » 29 Apr 2005, 01:18

iety2004 wrote:I for got to mention Lotus Sunbeam,


Hens teeth mate, It`s also said they`re too short in the wheelbase to chuck around...they tend to bite when you least expect it. I`m sure the Rally `mob` will have heard that?
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Postby shuvit-tim » 29 Apr 2005, 03:10

personally i know very little about the lotus sunbeam,

as for the delta, yeah realistically it would cost you the earth, dont get one.

the R5Ts - engines need changing more often than the tyres

XR2 - dont make me make you stand in th ecorner as well!

Have you considered an MG maestro? 2 litre turbs with all the weight of a featherduster
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Postby Shellysowner » 29 Apr 2005, 03:16

shuvit-tim wrote:Have you considered an MG maestro? 2 litre turbs with all the weight of a featherduster


Or you could...not...

If you're into classic rally cars get a Lotus Sunbeam, they sometimes come up cheap-ish and you'll look real cool in it!
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Postby iety2004 » 29 Apr 2005, 03:21

Didn't they onl make 500 of those things? mmm i think starting prices are gonna be high

R5 GT Turbo's, indeed do need maintenance, as do any car but people some time people for get tdo this and also driving it like you stole just asking for engine giving up. But you can pick them up cheap if your willing to do some work on them, so i reakon could still be worth my while.

Yeah a guy in my old works had one, in black well nice, Aint they 150bhp rwd?
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Postby Doive » 29 Apr 2005, 03:59

Mmm, MG Maestro Turbo - the most underrated car of the eighties if you ask me. 152 bhp, 0-60 in 6.6 seconds, turbo lag measured with a calendar, and more torque steer than you could shake a stick at. Proper old school grunt, before the japanese came along with their highly strung things. They only did 505 turbo'd Maestros, and the ones that are left are in the hands of enthusiasts. Still, you could pick one up for a song, and it would be miles better than any R5 turbo - piece of french poo.
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Postby shuvit-tim » 29 Apr 2005, 04:00

the MG maestro is a real beast. as for the ones that are left, yeah if you own one you sure as hell know what to do with it and what is was meant for and thus wouldnt sell it to save your kidney!
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Postby iety2004 » 29 Apr 2005, 12:28

Could do it like this, cheating a bit but the performance is there

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 06426&rd=1
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Postby Shoveitpusher » 01 May 2005, 06:36

MG maestro's have 2 big drawbacks - they eat head gaskets and the brakes are a waste of space, they do proceed at a very pleasing rate of knots - i would avoid like the plague (from experiance - friend had one for a company car)

something witha turbo and rwd -
option 1 Mitsubishi Lancer turbo - grp b rwd rally car quite rare but not usually too pricy, blows sierra cossies away, 4 doors so practical.

starrion turbo - go for the wide body version - same mechanicals as above but a bit more design.

Nissan Silvia turbo and Izzuzu piazza turbo, need a bit of tweeking but can be turned into very good cars.

Lotus sunbeams, good cars don't go for one that has been tuned.
chevette hs as above but twin sidedrafts would be nice.
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Postby iety2004 » 02 May 2005, 00:59

What about, and don't laugh a Nissan Bluebird zx Turbo?

They are 135bhp!

Have some turbo fun with that, plus they look poo, so give the boy racers a suprise
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Postby Neilyman » 02 May 2005, 08:33

iety2004 wrote:What about a Nissan Bluebird zx Turbo?



Ah, the old Taxi drivers favorite! There`s still plenty of tatty ones driving the streets of Bradford innit!!! :shock: :lol: :wink:
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Postby mint » 02 May 2005, 21:17

iety2004 wrote:What about, and don't laugh a Nissan Bluebird zx Turbo?

They are 135bhp!

Have some turbo fun with that, plus they look poo, so give the boy racers a suprise


Or buy a cavalier SRi 130 which doesn't have a turbo but will p!ss all over the nissan.
(and it doesn't look poo)
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Postby xhsowner » 03 May 2005, 00:14

ok dont no if this is gong to help over the years ive had a few motors enough to drive the mrs up the wall 1.HS CHEVETTE awesome aay no more . 4 MIRAFOIRI SPORTS 1 grey 2 orange and 1 black walter rohl limited edition ,great engine,great handling,be careful if you find won they rot from the inside out and eat axles for brekey.1 MARTINI HF TURBO.crap crap stear well clear enless youve got very deep pockets they spend more time being fixed than on the road,dont get me wrong there quick when there going but thats not often. 1SUNBEAM TI great100 bhp of cheap reliable rear wheel drive fun .1RENAULT 5 GORDINI TURBO awesome ultra quick and reliable not like the later GT5 . 1 309 GTI great but exspensive on parts when it did go wrong.1 MG MAESTRO 1600 runs twin webbers as stanard they are poo and as for the talking biatch of a computer :twisted: Hope this is of some interest and are my experiances with the cars i owned
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Postby shuvit-tim » 03 May 2005, 13:31

shoveitpusher wrote:
something witha turbo and rwd -
option 1 Mitsubishi Lancer turbo - grp b rwd rally car quite rare but not usually too pricy, blows sierra cossies away, 4 doors so practical.



as long as you don tmind having the clutch changed every 4,000 miles evo's are great.

As much as I hate the impreza revolution, my mate had a terzo and it was truly phenomenal. The 4wd handling was truly incredible and it just purred even at 145mph. Always felt like it wante dmore, just had to be careful the turbo didnt kick in on the outside of a bend......
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Postby Shoveitpusher » 03 May 2005, 18:30

call yourself a rally fan

since when did an evo get homologated into grp B? :lol: :lol:

seriously

the lancer i'm on about is a boxy 4dr saloon, rwd circa 1980.

friend of mine has a terzo - very nice piece of kit.
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Postby iety2004 » 03 May 2005, 20:38

What make is the Terzo?

never heard of one of those
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Postby Neilyman » 03 May 2005, 21:55

iety2004 wrote:What make is the Terzo?


Here`s a clue from Tims post higher up the thread ;)

>>>As much as I hate the impreza revolution, my mate had a terzo<<<
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Postby iety2004 » 03 May 2005, 22:00

Ah, a trip to the opticans is in order, obviously blind :?

Well, i don't think i can afford one of those im afraid
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Postby Neilyman » 03 May 2005, 22:07

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Postby shuvit-tim » 04 May 2005, 03:37

sorry pete didnt read your post properly lol. my bad!

the terzo was a limited edition

333 made to celebrate subaru takign the manufacturers championship 3 years running. terzo is italian for 3. They are all 2litre turbo metallic blue 5 doors with the high rear spoiler and gold superleggera alloys. Absolute beasts. (and quite cheap now - around 8 grand)
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Postby Doive » 04 May 2005, 10:25

shuvit-tim wrote:They are all 2litre turbo metallic blue 5 doors with the high rear spoiler and gold superleggera alloys.

So...... absolutely identical to every other Impreza out there then.
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Postby shuvit-tim » 04 May 2005, 11:14

nope. the terzo's are the only metallic blue 5 doors, the only ones with gold superleggeras as standard, and the only one's called terzo. it's a limited edition thing - if there was a limited edition chevette, only slightly different to the other chevettes, I bet you'd give your kidney to own it.

As I said, I don't like the scooby revolution, but there is a reason they are so popular, for their money they are truly awesome. Every bit as good as the evo in performance (if not as mean and too common) but about 10K cheaper. Don't knock it til you tried it

On the down side, to change the sparkplugs you have to drop the engine by 2 inches :shock:
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Postby Doive » 04 May 2005, 11:32

Ok, maybe I was a bit dismissive!

For me cars like the Impreza are all too revvy and buzzy. I like an engine that has bags of torque to pull from low revs, not one that needs 4000 rpm before anything happens. The good thing about my chevette is that it fulfils neither objective.
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