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Postby Shuvit-pinto » 04 Apr 2005, 21:41

Any one know the BHP of a standard petrol 2.0 ltr multi port injection Pug 405?

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Postby Doive » 05 Apr 2005, 01:04

According to the Parkers guide the standard output of a 2.0 405 is 123 bhp, 0-60 in 10.9 seconds and a top speed of 122 mph, all whilst managing a respectable 34 mpg. Hope you're not considering an engine swap!
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Postby Shellysowner » 05 Apr 2005, 01:11

lol - his name is shuvit-pinto so I reckon he has probably already considered one of those! :wink:
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Postby Doive » 05 Apr 2005, 02:12

But he said he was converting the chevette back to good-as-new spec....
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Postby Shellysowner » 05 Apr 2005, 02:21

Well maybe he's decided to make it better-than-new spec! :lol:
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Postby Shuvit-pinto » 06 Apr 2005, 00:49

No No, let me explain.

You see, I used to have a Chevette Hatch with a Pinto fitted but stupidly sold it for pennies about 4 years ago.

I now have a Chevette Hatch in standard form that is far to good to modify and am looking to, like Doive said, restore back to as new ( ish ).

The reason I was asking about the 405 power is that its my every day work hack and it goes like hot snot of a shiny shovel. I did get me thinking about a fast Chevette and I wondered if I could get that 405 126 BHP power into a Chevette, ( but not the Pug engine, to complicated ) then boy would it shift.

I hope you have been paying attention as I will be asking questions later!
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Postby Shellysowner » 06 Apr 2005, 01:02

Well you could use a 7.3:1 chevanne head and add a little forced induction (my new pet theory/project) plus I'll see what Bill Blydenstein says about the 1500cc stoked version of the 1256 engine. I reckon a bored, stroked and blown/turbo'd 1256 with all the usual tuning bits could make 126bhp but of course then you'd need a new rear axle...
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Postby Doive » 06 Apr 2005, 01:08

I think its a fantastic idea Ralph, I expect a full report when you're done. Leave it on my desk by next friday.
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Postby Shellysowner » 06 Apr 2005, 01:15

one slight hitch... I bet whatever he says the crank costs at least £1500!
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Postby Doive » 06 Apr 2005, 01:20

Ooch ya beastie. There is no doubt about it boring, stroking an turbocharging a 1256 would be a seriously expensive way of getting power. Pistons - unobtainable. Crank - same. Turbo - make your own. It all starts to add up, plus you have to track down a suitable chevanne engine thats in good shape. Eventually though, I'd be emailing the editor of Retro Cars or PPC to tell him all about this guy I know who has built a mad turbo'd chevette.
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Postby Shellysowner » 06 Apr 2005, 01:27

Yeah I bet if I did pull it off I'd get a magazine feature. Maybe I could offer my car to Blydenstein as free for development work on the turbo idea (do you reckon he'd go for it?) which would reduce costs tremendously. From what I've read turbo kits are one of the simpler items to put together yourself (less complicated than fabbing your own manifold anyway!) so it shouldn't be that much of a struggle. Failing interest from the big B, anyone care to make a donation :lol:
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Postby Doive » 06 Apr 2005, 01:39

I'll give you 34p and a lightly used Barley Sugar?

Not sure if BB would be terribly interested, to be honest the commercial viability of a chevette conversion is long since past, has been since about 1986 sadly. It's not like Rimmer Bros who do all sorts of everything for TR7's, SD1's, Spitfires etc etc they have a huge customer base for aftermarket tuning bits. The base for such a conversion on a chevette would be limited to about five of us lot, plus perhaps 30 or 40 sundry chevette owners elsewhere and that's a generous estimate. The kit could be applied to Vivas and Firenzas as well, but realistically I reckon they would be fortunate to break into double figures sales wise. Great idea, but I don't reckon he would bite. I'd love to be proved wrong though!
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Postby Shellysowner » 06 Apr 2005, 01:46

I agree, I am dreaming. I'm just hoping he has a leftover crank (if so I double triple bagsy it with cherries on). Course my chevette/viva company plan could incorporate this perhaps... long way off perhaps. If only there were as many chevettes as morris minors, lets see, wa sit 1.something million minors and 300 and something thousand chevettes. Probably by now there are double the number of minors than chevettes in the country which, since there are squillions of minor centres all over the place means we should be able to support at least 1 chevette/viva centre!
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Postby Doive » 06 Apr 2005, 01:53

I would safely estimate that for every chevette left in a roadworthy condition there are at least twenty moggies still trundling around. I would guess a peak value on chevette numbers in the two thousand region, and that's a generous peak. I know of five in Edinburgh including my own, and that's in a city with a population of almost half a million. So say ten per million people, that leaves a figure of around 600 chevettes still on the roads in regular use - how many are living in barns or garages? You probably could run a garage but it would need to specialise in old Vauxhalls in general to succeed, and be based way down south where all the cars seem to be.
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Postby Shellysowner » 06 Apr 2005, 02:06

Well yeah, general vauxhalls was the plan but I'm only an expert on 1057/1159/1256s! Got to be 5000 chevettes left surely?!? (if less, why do they make so little money since they are the last of the proper car's produced in this country?) All the cars do seem to be way down south you're right but my car's true home is Preston, Lancashire where she spent the first 21 years of her life. I suppose even that's south to you so Leicesterhire must be practically on the channel and Southampton practically in France. All of which brings up a bit of a contentious issue for me - all my uni friends (southerners) call me a northerner and all northerners call me a southerner. I consider myself to be from the (east) midlands which neither of these groups seem to recognise as a valid origin. They both think there is a big line across the country dividing northerners and southerners. The southerners think it is just above Watford (which is actually an incorrect version of the expression, they general term is 'north of Watford gap' which means north of a village in south Northamptonshire, home of Watford locks. Watford Gap is a services on the M1.) and the northerners think it is just below Sheffield. I suppose it depends on your perspective. I don't know why I brought that up but it just annoys me that it matters so much where you're from. The southerners consider me a 'dirty northerner' and the northeners consider me a 'soft southerner' so either way I can't win! :?
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Postby Doive » 06 Apr 2005, 02:18

I have no cause for complaint really being Irish - the Scottish love us, the Welsh love us (celtic nations you see) and the English think we are all mad Paddys running around with bits of semtex. Sorry that's mainly Londoners. Anyhow maybe there are more chevettes on the roads than I estimate, I really hope so. My car spent the first 21 years of it's life around the Blackburn area, so not too far from Preston - in fact I think we drove through Preston on the way back up to Edinburgh.

Chevettes fetch low prices because they are in the twilight zone. 80's classics to most people are just rusty old cars and so are treated as such. No tax breaks, no incentives to own one. It's only people like us who have a strange curiousity in them, or who like me just want to be a bit different. The established 'classic' experts in their mk2 Jags look at us and laugh, but I 100% definitely know which car I'd rather have. As for being one of the last real British designed, engineered and built cars this is true, but then the last ever was the Maestro/Montego and those don't exactly fly off the forecourts. The mk2 escort for some reason always outshines the chevette, and for this alone we shall have to wait until prices of those pick up enough for people to look towards an alternative. It's happening, slowly but it's happening.
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Postby Shellysowner » 06 Apr 2005, 02:27

Ok, perhaps I should define what I mean by a 'proper british car.' It's rear wheel drive, it's made in Britain, it is easy to work on and to maintain at home.' A proper man's car. As for Ireland, I f-ing love Ireland, what a fantastic country. The south, I admit, I prefer to your native north (I particularly like the west coast). For fishing and for Guiness Ireland has no international rival. There is only one problem with Ireland - distinct lack of classic cars. In both of my visits there I have seen 2 classics, 70's merc and a morris minor. Bl**dy Europe! (Actually come to think of it Europe is the 2nd problem with Ireland").

The chevette - all my mates call me mad for loving Chevettes. They all think the Morris minor is the cool car and Shelly is just a piece of junk whereas I can hardly wait to get the minor out of the garage and get me a Chevanne!
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Postby Doive » 06 Apr 2005, 02:40

Wow. We do have a certain knack for hijacking a thread!

Ireland is sorely lacking in classic cars because of the draconian MoT test over there. However, the one introduced a couple of years ago in the North is far the worst. Put it this way - my Astra would fail guaranteed. My father knows of people who have taken their three year old (first MoT) main dealer serviced car in for the test and it has come away with a fail sheet as long as your arm. Owning an older car is becoming more difficult. The test stipulates that if any fluid leaks from any part of the car at any time i.e. if the tester can see a damp patch on your rear axle the car is an instant fail. I know mechanics who have been in the trade 30 years are retiring because of this - it's simply impossible to make older cars completely fluid tight. Every morning the chevette greets me with a few drops of oil on the bricks - it leaks past the sump bung when the engine is warm, but I do mean a drop once a journey and not a constant stream. Even so, it fails the test. People have started driving over to Scotland for their MoT, in fact Stena Line offer a day return that has become known as the MoT trip! It's crazy, yet another example of legislation imposed by morons.
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Postby Shellysowner » 06 Apr 2005, 02:45

All this anti-europe stuff (yes we do know how to hijack a thread) brings me neatly to the general election. Lib-dem - too pro europe. Labour - fairly pro-europe. Conservative - well my vote is in a really safe conservative seat anyway so I doubt it will make any difference as all the old people will vote conservative but I AM going to exercise my democratic right to vote which I feel is extremely important (I realise only 30% of you will agree with me). So anyways, who does the discerning Chevette owner vote for these days?
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Postby Doive » 06 Apr 2005, 02:57

To be honest I have no idea who to vote for, and most people I have spoken to feel the same way. You could vote for Labour, who make everything seem fine, rob you blind behind your back and railroad the whole country into a Eurpoe none of us want. But Tony knows best so don't argue, ok? The economy is in great shape, Golden Brown is pleased with himself but the companies are leaving these shores in droves, put off by high taxes and salary costs to enable us to live after tax. I forsee a bit of a slump ahead as spending and income suddenly don't match up.

Or you could vote Tory, who are about as credible alternative as the next government as Roy Chubby Brown is as the next pope. At least they will tell you they are stealing your money, and they might even be kind enough to ask us if we want Europe.

The Lib Dems are the last alternative (be honest nobody else gets a look in) and I remember last time round they were trailing a long way back in third place. Now though they seem to have got their policies back together, and I do like their idea of local income tax rather than council tax which takes no account of your salary. Up here Man A earns 40k per year, pays 1200 quid council tax. Man B earns 12k a year, still pays 1200 quid council tax. Just wrong.

So I don't know who to vote for.
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Postby Shellysowner » 06 Apr 2005, 03:01

I'd love it if there was an 'abstain' box on the voting form. If more than 50% of people (nationally) abstain then would have to be... I dunno... a re-formulation of candidates or something and another election.

Ralph edit... come to think of it that's a pretty stupid idea, but it would send out a real message if a huge number of people ticked abstain. The media would certainly bang on about it for a while anyway.
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Postby Doive » 06 Apr 2005, 12:30

I'm afraid if an abstain box was offered then a vast majority would vote for nobody. I'd rather vote for the least incompetent of them all than just not bother. But therein lies the problem - they all appear grossly incompetent and everyone thinks the same.
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Postby Shellysowner » 06 Apr 2005, 12:46

That's the point - if everyone ticked abstain and demonstrated their utter dissolutionment (I think I spelled that as in dissolve something so please feel free to correct my spelling) with all of the candidates it's bound to make waves.
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Postby Herbie_Flowers » 06 Apr 2005, 23:12

you dont need an abstain box, just put more than one cross on the paper spoils it so making the voting sheet void.
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Postby Neilyman » 06 Apr 2005, 23:25

Just write Bollox across the paper, that voids it also! :shock:
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