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Old Vs New, Chevette Vs Astra, Let The Battle Begin!

Postby 14yearoldchevetter » 24 Feb 2007, 20:42

Chevettes are like a disease, that wont go away!
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Postby Neilyman » 24 Feb 2007, 20:56

Way out as usual for `modern` road tests on old cars.
0-60, 15.6 seconds, was he towing an Astra at the time, or was the Shovit knackered??

This is the `best bit` :)

" Suspension: MacPherson strut front" :shock: :D
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Postby Doive » 24 Feb 2007, 23:08

What a pile of shoite. They say 'oh my goodness, it doesn't have (insert modern equipment here)'. No sh1t Sherlock, it was built in 1983. Check out an equivalent Morris Ital, Ford Fiesta, Austin Metro etc etc to compare equipment levels - none of them had power steering, airbags, electric windows or anything of that sort.

Road testers often do these kind of tests with an agenda in mind - prove the new cars are better than the old ones.
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Postby chris(not) » 24 Feb 2007, 23:10

How far out is the 0-60 really? 15.6 sounds about right for the limited power etc. Guess someone just looked at the shock absorber turrets and jumped to the (wrong) conclusion about the front suspension.

What gets me is the weights- the latest Astra weighs as much as my old Volvo 240! Shed some of the techie goodies (except engine management) and I wonder how much less fuel it would use?
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Postby Harry Flatters » 24 Feb 2007, 23:29

I think you're over-reacting a bit - I'm not sure you should expect pin-point accuracy from an article of this type, and I wouldn't say it slags the 'vette off in the way other articles of the type do.

...but in its time, it was more than a match for its immediate rivals, the Ford Escort Mk2 ... there's plenty of support and the driving position is spot on... the Chevette's appealing minimalism ... The ergonomics are fine ... in the end, it was difficult not to form an attachment to the little Vauxhall. It's actually quite fun to drive. The unassisted steering is as manual as the rest of the car: direct, positive and full of feel. With full car/road communication established, your confidence builds quickly - and although the limits of grip are low thanks to skinny 145-section tyres, it's predictable at the limit...


We've seen this McPherson strut comment elsewhere - ok, it's daft but not the end of the world.

I'd have said 15 seconds sounds about right as well. I can't help feeling, though, that it'd be more legitimate if they compared the Chevette to 1.2 base model Astras - or the Astras to an HS. It's pretty inevitable it's going to seem down on power compared to the performance versions of the later cars.
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Postby Gordo » 24 Feb 2007, 23:47

What a bunch of whiners :roll:

0-60 is about right, if I recall correctly, the official figure was in the 18 second range.
Top speed is a bit low, though as almost all mine'd pull around 155kph (speedo, mind)
Fuel economy is about right for light town work but on the open road I've gotten under 20mpg to over 40mpg - depends how hard they're driven
Tyres are 155, not 145, of course for the earlier models but the post '80 ones sold here had 175/70-13 steel belted tyres - noticable difference
"Strut" has been pointed out, already :lol:
Down here they had just MW radios - still kept them in most of mine
Don't know why he's complaining about the brakes - mine would out brake damn near anything on the road or track - worked it out as around 1.3 G in perfect conditions

Remember, the reviewer LIKED the car. Heck, back in '77 my stock* hatch would out corner, out brake and had a higher top speed than a friends Escort 1300GT with a Bilstein suspension kit on it.

*tyres are run at 32PSI all round - huge difference.
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Postby ross.cheeks » 25 Feb 2007, 04:21

aint really read it but sounds a fair test, 1256 chevtte vrs red top mk 2 astra vrs 2.0 turbo new astra
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Postby topi » 25 Feb 2007, 12:45

The fight is won by a very simple factor.

Chevette = RWD
Astra = FWD

'Nuff said.
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Postby 14yearoldchevetter » 26 Feb 2007, 10:34

Its good to see ive started such a conversation :P

Have to agree with 'topi'
RWD Is simply best :P :P :P :P
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Postby Doive » 04 Mar 2007, 01:40

I see PC have done such a comparison this month, although probably not quite as extreme as that article about the chevette/astra/astra.

They compare, among others, a 60s Alfa Spider vs a late 90s one, a TR3 vs TR7, series 2 Manta vs Calibra 16v, and a 60s S-type vs a late XJ40. Really good and well written article, gives a nice balanced view of the merits of each car without expecting a series 2 automatic Manta to outdrag a red top Calibra. Also makes me want a Manta even more, as the metallic copper coupe they use for the article is just gorgeous.
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Postby Gordo » 04 Mar 2007, 02:32

Doive wrote:I see PC have done such a comparison this month, although probably not quite as extreme as that article about the chevette/astra/astra.

They compare, among others, a 60s Alfa Spider vs a late 90s one, a TR3 vs TR7, series 2 Manta vs Calibra 16v, and a 60s S-type vs a late XJ40. Really good and well written article, gives a nice balanced view of the merits of each car without expecting a series 2 automatic Manta to outdrag a red top Calibra. Also makes me want a Manta even more, as the metallic copper coupe they use for the article is just gorgeous.


PC? Popular Classics?
If you can post what the magazine is and the issue, I'll keep a look out for it, down here.
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Postby 14yearoldchevetter » 04 Mar 2007, 22:25

Have that magazine, interesting reading, nice manta not sure about the auto though :?

Its Practical Classics, Gordo, I'm not sure if you can get it down under :P
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Postby Gordo » 05 Mar 2007, 06:19

14yearoldchevetter wrote:Have that magazine, interesting reading, nice manta not sure about the auto though :?

Its Practical Classics, Gordo, I'm not sure if you can get it down under :P


You can find it, just a little awkward sometimes. I'll be keeping a lookout for it, thanks!
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