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Postby Herbie_Flowers » 20 Jan 2006, 20:28

Doive wrote:Well I was planning to fly to Gatwick, then drive up to Fishguard and across to Rosslare.

don't you fancy Holyhead to Dublin?
Doive wrote:Telford is way up at the north of Wales

dig the map out again mate, it's about 12 miles due West of Wolverhampton :lol:
Doive wrote:I may well have a job interview in Bath in the next couple of weeks.

Aerospace? i thought you didn't want to leave Scotland.
Doive wrote:Besides, would I get four doors in an E28? The rear seats don't fold down.

no you won't. i struggled with the Omega and besides, i meant it tongue in cheek. i'll keep them here as long as needs be mate.
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Postby Doive » 20 Jan 2006, 20:38

Believe me, I'm not good with distances. I looked at the map between Brighton and Southampton, reckoned it to be about 20 miles - 60 according to multimap. So, following that underestimate, I was a bit more generous for Southampton to Bristol, and still I was hugely wrong.

I said I didn't much fancy leaving Scotland, but due to the complete lack of jobs of any form - this country is buggered by the way - it looks very much like I'll be making a move down south to where everybody lives and you can't buy a house without selling vital organs. Oh joy. This country is deeply knackered because the latest figures the government tried to hide shows that manufacturing and engineering unemployment is higher now than it was even in the mid seventies industrial unrest and the three day week. This country is great if you are a manager or an accountant - but we still need engineers.

I haven't forgotten the doors mate! I really appreciate you holding on to them.
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Postby Shellysowner » 20 Jan 2006, 20:42

Woop dee doo - I can't wait to graduate... yeah! It sounds fantastic :?
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Postby Herbie_Flowers » 20 Jan 2006, 20:46

you'll be ok in the Midlands, if you want to stay there, Ralph. there's plenty of work in and around Birmingham.
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Postby Doive » 20 Jan 2006, 21:19

I have been looking at a job in Croydon which seems genuinely interesting, but the price of even a single room studio flat is just unbelievable. I could probably find somewhere to stay in Coulsden outside Croydon, but the daily commute is a total nightmare. Been there before, and promised myself at that moment that I would never live in London. Besides, can you imagine me not owning a car?!!
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Postby Shellysowner » 20 Jan 2006, 21:26

Birmingham? London? Blah, no thanks - I can't stand cities. I know I live in one 1/2 the time but I don't like them - after about a week I get claustrophobic and have to go out into the countryside to see some trees and fields etc.

I wouldn't mind working somewhere near where I live as there are little pockets of industry in all kinds of places these days but to be honest I wouldn't really want it to be any further south (that Leicestershire).
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Postby Herbie_Flowers » 21 Jan 2006, 01:03

i didn't say you had to live in Brum :wink: anyway where you are is commuter heaven what with close links to the M1 and M6. should find a decent job within 50 miles surely.
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Postby Shellysowner » 21 Jan 2006, 01:40

It takes me a good 20 minutes to drive to the M1 - I think I'd rather work somewhere down the A14... to be honest I wouldn't object too much to moving to Cambridgeshire, there seems to be quite a bit of industry out that way.
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Postby andy » 21 Jan 2006, 02:39

mate you dont want to get a job in croydon its a horrible place ive lived there all my life and its a hole. coulsdon to croydon isnt a bad commute could be alot worse take about 30 mins if you know the best ways to go ;).
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Postby Shoveitpusher » 21 Jan 2006, 09:30

London is an easy commute froom Norfolk/Suffolk (sister in law does it) i work in South Essex, collegue lives in Hertfordshire. but don't get excited our jobs are moving to Germany in a couple of years.

only way to make it cost effective is to be contracter really.

been looking at a job in Bristol, £27.50/hr
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Postby Neilyman » 21 Jan 2006, 09:45

shoveitpusher wrote:
been looking at a job in Bristol, £27.50/hr


That`s not really worth getting out of bed for! :lol: :lol:
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Postby kw107 » 21 Jan 2006, 09:56

Here we call the BMW drivers "rullnoksid" rollpeak's :? (estonian) because they wear peaked caps and they brake the bmw's, then they repair them with some other cars parts. Only the old fivers are'nt broken because they do'nt like them. BMW is a good car. Wish you luck with your new car.
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Postby penski » 21 Jan 2006, 11:39

In all seriousness, give Newcastle a look.

Plenty of jobs, housing is affordable (£450/month for a large 3-bed maisonette I have at the moment, next week I move to a 2-bed apartment on the riverside in Gateshead with a huge private terrace overlooking the river in a private estate and 20 minutes walk from where I work (Newcastle city centre). If you're looking at buying, a couple of friends have recently had offers of 20% less than list accepted on places....definitely a buyers market.

It's also easy to travel from here...2 1/2 hours to Nottingham to visit the lady half's parents.

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Postby Doive » 21 Jan 2006, 17:15

I have been in discussions with a company in Newcastle about a job, they have links to the renewable sector, and included in the deal was international travel. Can't all be bad. I have to say I would quite like Newcastle, it's close enough to Scotland to make it all wortwhile.

Qualified HV comissioning engineers get between 50 and 60 quid an hour. That's almost 500 quid a day, which means I could buy myself a new chevette for each day of the week. Nice idea that.
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Postby Harry Flatters » 21 Jan 2006, 17:22

Is that on a self-employed / consultancy basis? I'm in the wrong job.....
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Postby penski » 21 Jan 2006, 17:33

I've found Newcastle the perfect balance of friendly locals, culture, job availability, housing prices and sheer lack of how-much-for-a-bloody-pint?!?!?!ness.

To put it in perspective, I make £25k basic and £3k/quarter bonus as an account manager. Were I further south, I'd be looking at an extra £10k in pay but the extra tax and cost-of-living would mean that my quality of life and disposable income would be far lower.

Scotland is under an hour away by car (take the bypass around Berwick...trust me, you don't want to go there...it took me 18 years to escape) then it's 45-50 minutes up to Edina.

...I'm still looking at the possibility of moving to Notts in a couple of years...Luckily, I have a technical background which means I've had two of my customers give me job offers in the last 6 months. They're crying out for someone who can handle accounts and customers, and still be able to config a router if needs be.

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Postby Doive » 21 Jan 2006, 20:09

Harry Flatters wrote:Is that on a self-employed / consultancy basis? I'm in the wrong job.....

That's on a contract basis, variable terms, with travel around Europe almost a certainty. A semi-retired friend of mine works in substations wiring up 48V control panels, he does a few hours a day at his leisure, then walks away at the end of the week with 1200 quid after tax. He works for three weeks, then goes on holiday for six!

However, the true big bucks is in independent consultancy. I've heard of experienced engineers charging 3,000 quid a day for advising the seriously big companies. However, you need about 25 years proper industry experience.

Newcastle does look like a good place to live. A mate of mine is studying in South Shields, he does say it's a sh1tehole but that Newcastle in general isn't too bad. It would certainly be preferable to the sprawling, festering sewer that is London (and yes, I have been there recently - I still don't like it). I also very much like the idea of being a couple of hours drive from Edinburgh, that would be great.

I think I'll split this lot from the main thread, it's got a bit off the original subject!!
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Postby Shoveitpusher » 21 Jan 2006, 20:42

Neilyman it's more than i get now! my choice to work in an industry that runs as a cartell - on the other hand work is pretty plentiful. drivers want their cars refreshed on a regular basis. oh and it beats working for a living.

there are stories of contracts paying in the 40 - 60 bracket but you get there and they aren't really hiring people who can command that sort of price (funnily enough i do have the experience both in plant and software to qualify) the jobs are usually for less qualified/ experienced people at a much lower rate. a certain 4x4 manufacturer owned by ford are notorious for this.
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Postby Harry Flatters » 21 Jan 2006, 22:50

I think I'll split this lot from the main thread, it's got a bit off the original subject!!


Yep, but disjointed again - how about a link back to the original thread

IME there's a lot of people willing to talk big numbers for the self employed, in a lot of industries, but it's less easy actually to realise it.....

still think I'm in the wrong job tho' :lol:
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Postby Doive » 22 Jan 2006, 03:06

At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter what you earn. Tony has this amazing plan for the country where everyone is going to become miraculously rich and wealthy, and we shall all live in idyllic New Labour paradise for evermore. Well I just want to make a small point here. Suppose everyone in the country received a 50% wage increase on Monday morning. Wonderful! For a while. This new-found fortune must come from somewhere. All the staff in a shop get more money, so therefore the shop must make back that money from it's only source of income - the shoppers. So now the loaf of bread which cost 80p suddenly costs £1.20, with the net result that all the extra money you now have buys exactly the same amount of stuff as it did previously. There will be more money in the British economy with no overall change in net worth, so the pound will devalue. This devalued currency will cripple imports, and so the cost of living will rise, thus making things much more expensive. So in the long run your money buys less.

Net result - Tony Blair is a buffoon. I have no knowledge of financial matters, and even I see the logic in my argument. The whole country is screwed.
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Postby penski » 22 Jan 2006, 10:54

South Shields is a bit of a festering stinkhole, yes but there are lots of very, very nice parts of Newcastle/Gateshead.

I lived in Walker for 18 months, came home to find cars on fire in my street several times and had the police helicopter hovering over my area at least once a week.

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Postby Herbie_Flowers » 22 Jan 2006, 18:01

penski wrote:I lived in Walker for 18 months, came home to find cars on fire in my street several times and had the police helicopter hovering over my area at least once a week.

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i think they've moved to my street :cry:
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Postby penski » 22 Jan 2006, 20:43

I can't wait for Friday...No more charvers, no more scum...

No more 30 minutes of stinking, cramped public transport to get to work.

Bliss :)

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Postby Harry Flatters » 22 Jan 2006, 20:51

Doive, I'm beginning to get just the slightest impression you've got a bit of a thing about Tony Blair.....
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Postby Doive » 22 Jan 2006, 21:25

Harry Flatters wrote:Doive, I'm beginning to get just the slightest impression you've got a bit of a thing about Tony Blair.....

And I thought I was being so discreet as well. Put it this way - the manufacturing sector in this country has diminished by over a million jobs since 1997. Now, some of that may be a hangover from the conservatives, but the fact is that Tony has managed to accelerate it, and seems to be doing little to help the situation. He is far more content pissing about in Eurpoean capitals playing the big man of culture. In the country where engineering excellence was born - Brunel, Stevenson etc - it now seems our skills are no longer required. In a very short time we will be a nation of accountants and HR managers, mark my words. Tony's desire to make the country richer has led to an increase in taxes, so making exports even more uncompetitve. Why does nobody in government see this?
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