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Postby BamOpel » 05 Feb 2006, 21:29

Just come back from a nice spin across the forest in my Kadett. Thought I heard a bit of a buzzing sound but figured it could've been on the cd I was playing (Joy Division live).
Ignition key seemed reluctant to turn to switch off engine when I got home. Tried restarting, key turns but nothing happens ! no ignition/oil light, no attempt to start, nothing... Everything else, lights... seems to work.
Figuring it must be ignition switch that's broken.
Any other ideas or has anyone got an ignition switch with key ?
Reasonably urgent as I'm going to have to beg to borrow my girlfriend's golf until I can fix it.
If anyone has ignition switch, 2 door & boot locks all on the same key I would be very interested because I already have different keys for each door !
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Postby Harry Flatters » 05 Feb 2006, 22:06

Bam, I've got them on that scrapper but I think they're promised already. Having said that, if it's electrical - switch not lock - the switch comes off the back of the lock so you could have that.

Try pulling the connector off the back of the lock and hotwiring it to check.
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Re: Oh No !!!

Postby Shellysowner » 05 Feb 2006, 23:42

BamOpel wrote:Just come back from a nice spin across the forest in my Kadett. Thought I heard a bit of a buzzing sound but figured it could've been on the cd I was playing (Joy Division live).


Now there's something worth listening to - Live at The Factory Hulme, Live at The Winter Gardens Bournemouth or Live at The Lyceum Ballroom London?

No idea about the electrical fault I'm afraid - bad luck :(
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Postby chevettev8 » 06 Feb 2006, 13:57

I had the same problem once, had to start with a screwdriver until i found a new lock. Take the plastic switch off the back of the metal lock body, i think its only a couple of screws(?) you should see a slot where the lock engages the switch, just turn that with a screwdriver.
Can be tucked away under the cowl again when you leave the car.

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Postby BamOpel » 06 Feb 2006, 19:16

Thanks Guys,
It was 'Les Bains Douches' recorded mainly in Paris December '79 with some tracks from a couple of January 1980 gigs. Very worth listening to as you say Ralph. 8)
Got home in time to have a quick look tonight before darkness forced me indoors. Removed switch from lock, shaft on the end of lock that switches the switch seems to be moving fine with key turn so now thinking it's not lock mechanism. 4 wires on back of switch 2 red & 2 mainly black, only 1 of the red ones gives a voltage reading with a multimeter. It's the same result on the pins of the multiplug forther into the dash. Is this normal or does it point to a short/ broken connection further along the circuit ?
If I could please have your spare switch with wiring to multi-plug, Harry. Must be worth a shot as it's such a simple swap.
Anyway, thanks for your advice so far. Anyother ideas will be gratefully received, nothing too technical though electrics really ain't my thing ! :wink:
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Postby Doive » 06 Feb 2006, 20:50

I had a problem with mine a while back where the key turned, all the dash lights came on but the engine refused to turn over. I spent hours thumping the crap out of the starter motor solenoid with a big hammer, tried rocking the car in gear, even had a spare starter motor on order. Eventually took the steering wheel shroud apart to see if it was the switch. When I traced the wires back, there was a multipin plug under the dash, from which a green and white wire was hanging. Pushed back in, turned key and away she went. I think these plugs must get tired with age, and eventually let the cable slip out. Have a quick look at these, saves loads of time!
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Postby Doive » 06 Feb 2006, 20:53

Actually, on re-reading your post it sounds as if the inside of the electrical part of your ignition switch may have disintegrated. I'm not sure exactly what's inside one, I've never had mine apart, but it sounds like the cause of your mischief.

I have a spare one for a Peugeot 305 if that's any use to you?
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Postby Harry Flatters » 06 Feb 2006, 23:38

Bam, you should have 12V on the fat red one, not the others.

If you pull the multiplug off the back of the switch and put a link from the fat red one to the black one all the ignition should power up. If you put a link from the fat red one to the black and red one the starter should turn.

If this is all OK but you get nothing when you put the plug back on and try the switch, the switch is broken. If you get nothing either way, the fault is elsewhere. If you can turn the switch when it's off the back of the ignition lock, but it doesn't turn when it's fitted, your ignition lock or the lug that operates the switch is broken.
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Postby Neilyman » 06 Feb 2006, 23:59

I reckon on the ign switch fallen apart inside.
It was a common Vauxhall trait in the early `80`s.
In the past, I`ve been called out to loads of VX`s of that era where the switch has failed, usually accompanied by loads of white smoke as the grease inside the switch melts. Quite a shock when it happens.. :)

The switch is just contacts poking through the plastic & a copper wiper inside breaks off from the key operated bit, & either shorts the switch, hence smoke &/or engine no turny offy........or doesn`t make any contact, thus dead ign.

A new switch cost then, £2.30 + vat. :shock: Dunno `bout now though.[/u]
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Postby BamOpel » 08 Feb 2006, 08:35

Thanks again,
Had a further look last night. Hotwired her across the back of the switch as Harry suggested & she sprang to life ! Got to be the switch then (turning the switch with a screwdriver did nothing).
(Harry, I PM'd you to see if offer of switch from scrapper still stood).
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Postby BamOpel » 14 Feb 2006, 14:20

Hey,
Noticed a bit of 'tension' in some threads lately (observant, eh :lol: ) so thought i would remind everyone what a great forum this is !
Started this thread 10 days ago with a problem where I was barking up almost the right tree. Thanks to the info shared I easily traced the problem to the switch. Today a switch arrived in the post. I'm off work as its my birthday so went & fitted it. Took about 45 minutes, would've been quicker but multiplug was slightly different so I had to cut/rejoin a few wires. Tested it and all seems good !
So thanks everyone for the info & Harry/Sean for the switch.
Back on the road again ! :D :D
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Postby grim_b » 14 Feb 2006, 14:29

Happy Birthday Bam.
Your right about the 'tension' but I have never been able to fault the brilliant help provided by the group as a whole. They all seem really hot on Chevettes, but some of them seem to have petty scuffs occationally, but then again it makes for a good laugh most of the time and no-one really gets hurt. :wink:
I loved my car, but she has to go.... :(
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Postby Neilyman » 14 Feb 2006, 14:36

Well, there`s always a few bad apples in every box, isn`t there!
This isn`t directed at anyone in particular btw, but if the cap fits etc. :wink: 8)
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