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Postby Doive » 24 Jan 2005, 12:18

Be good to see that, give me some inspiration. Well the guy has finished the welding and in my opinion has made a fantasic job of it, I'm very happy. Was looking under the rear crossmember and had to look very hard to find the actual repair. They did all they said they were going to - did cost 304 quid right enough.

Apart from the rear arches which I intend to get done in a couple of months, the man in charge said she was a very sound little car indeed, no structural rust at all. In fact he said when the arches were done she would be immaculate (perhaps he wanted the business!). He hasn't seen a chevette for years so advised me to do all I can to save her. Still annoyed that my mate told me to scrap her.
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Postby shuvit-tim » 24 Jan 2005, 14:18

interesting definition of 'no structural rust' what with having a hole in the crossmemebr and half the floorpan missing. :P
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Postby Doive » 24 Jan 2005, 18:23

:shock: :lol: Well I suppose thats true, but those were the words of a bodyman 30 years in the business. Feeling a lot better about the overall condition of the car now, all she needs to finish her off is a full respray. There goes another grand or so! Need to save the pennies for the arches anyway, perhaps I'll just fill them and wait until the end of the summer when I might actually have some money.
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Postby shuvit-tim » 24 Jan 2005, 18:30

got offered a full external an dinternal respray for 400 quid :D :D :D :D :D it's a guy who's spraying my mates mini first so i get to see what his standards are like! DTV colours here we come! :P
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Postby Doive » 24 Jan 2005, 18:32

Jammy swine. Where is he based, and could you convince your mate to call me his mate too?!
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Postby shuvit-tim » 24 Jan 2005, 18:38

as far as i'm aware he's based in worcester. How would you get her down there? and how would you then get back to edinburgh? could always leave it until the summer and kip on a park bench for a few days lol. i'm sure he wouldnt object to me pushing a load of business his way, i'll check it out.
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Postby Neilyman » 24 Jan 2005, 18:43

You could try doing what I did for my respray....... :shock:

No, not that, I prep`d the car, rubbed it down etc, bought the paint, drove to the spray shop, washed the car down, masked it up & then the bloke painted it. I `unmasked` it, & he compounded it. Cost...£170. + £30 for paint
Spraying the paint is the quick bit, the prep takes time & as we all know, time is expense!
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Postby Doive » 24 Jan 2005, 18:58

Every respray story I've read tells me that no matter how good the prep work a sprayer will not be satisfied. It's possible to achieve good results following your own prep and I'd love to save money, but I'd hate to be towing it in bare metal to the shop if it starts raining! Need to speak to some friendly body people up this way to geta quote. I would definitely deliver a bare shell to them, I know it would cost thousands to have them strip it all down! Good going for 200 quid though I'd say - and the job looks real good. I really like the HS front bumper.
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Postby Shellysowner » 24 Jan 2005, 22:09

For the uninitiated amongst us who can't be ar*ed to trawl through the gallery looking for 'contributed by neil' where can we find a pic of neily's bargainous bit of paintjobbery? Just so's I can give it the ol' seal of approval :wink:
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Postby Doive » 24 Jan 2005, 22:42

It should be a joy to trawl through the gallery. I recommend it! :D :wink:

Neily's car can be found here

http://www.chevettes.com/showroom.php?section=va&page=36

Chevette #1105-1110. Watch out for the white dials though, a bit risky if you ask me! :P (Kidding Neil!!)
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Postby Shellysowner » 24 Jan 2005, 22:47

Thats a damn nice paintjob for 200 notes.
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Postby Doive » 24 Jan 2005, 22:51

Its decent. I just love the look of the car with the HS bumper and spoiler in some colour other than silver! Those alloys really finish off the looks of the car too, not over the top like some wheels but miles better than the rostyles. Wonder what kind of power he is getting with the twin strombergs on it? Bound to be better than 58 horses anyway! :roll:
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Postby Shellysowner » 24 Jan 2005, 23:26

Shouldn't you be saying 'oh my god, I can't believe he de-badged it + sprayed it a non-original colour + added a custom fuel filler'? Honestly doive, all your principles have gone to pot lately :wink:
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Postby Neilyman » 24 Jan 2005, 23:51

Wrong on 2 counts I`m afraid Ralph. :wink:
It now wears Chrome stickers on the back in original script. I had to take the letters off to fit the spoiler.
And it`s the original colour, I think the paint code is 72? Regal gold or Regal bronze, can`t remember.
I hold my hands up to the Aero cap though! :roll:

Just been for a look at the pics myself, since they were taken, it`s now got smoke tinted rear lights, rubber strips on the front bumper corners & smoked oval side repeaters at the back edge of the bumber(just in front of the wheel arch)

I like my white dials Doive!, notice you didn`t comment on the lack of orange in my front indicators! I thought you would have done, being an `orange` fan. :lol:
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Postby Shellysowner » 25 Jan 2005, 00:20

Aw c'mon, wrong on one account :) How could I possibly know that it now has chrome stickers? :wink:
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Postby Shellysowner » 25 Jan 2005, 00:30

Tell you what would set it off nicely neil, a set of bodycolour or chrome mirrors. Speaking of mirrors, I saw a lhs mirror in black go on ebay for £26.50 + £3.50 postage. I'm not going to pay that sort of money for a mirror so shelly will have to stay one-eared for now.
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Postby Doive » 26 Jan 2005, 22:57

I was keeping a beady one on that as well. I thought if it stayed below 15 quid I would think about it, but not for 26.50. Try finding another one I suppose. I'll go and find a knackered Viva and take the mirrors off the wings, now they would look sharp. The only problem would be that I'd end up taking the rest of the car home too! I need a decent piece of land and an infinite supply of tarpaulin.
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Postby Shellysowner » 28 Jan 2005, 17:07

OK - once in november and now again today I've found that the carpet in my passenger footwell, under the rubber mat is very damp. Where is the water getting in? Or is it just that the car gets so cold at night that you get a build-up of condensation under the mat? If I was to be on something I would say its the windscreen rubber or maybe something around the cowl panel area. Ideas?
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Postby Doive » 28 Jan 2005, 17:23

Ok. Speaking from experience now(!) if I were you I would lift the footwell carpet as soon as you can. Is there water actually on the underside of the mat, or is the carpet just touch damp? Its very unlikely the moisture is coming from sitting overnight. Have a good poke around the screen rubber, but pay special attention to the bulkhead underneath the screenwash reservoir. Mine had a nice selection of holes under here as the windscreen drains off the scuttle onto this nice flat panel that retains the water and then rusts. Same with the battery tray. Neily had the same problem with his car, so he tells me.

Look on the front of the carpet in the footwell for tell-tale drip marks. If these checks reveal nothing, then get a couple of buckets of water and throw them over the car, then check the footwells for traces of water ingress. Probably best to do this with the carpets pulled back which means you will have to remove the sill trim panels - if water has been getting in then the first couple of screws each side are likely to have corroded, so when you go to remove them take care not to round the heads (like I did).

Oh, almost forgot. One other place they can let water in is through the mounting brackets for the inner wing splash guards. These are behind the front wheels and collect an incredible amount of crap behind them, when I took them off I could have filled several buckets with grit and dirt. This slowly eats away at the brackets on the wing, which get flexed and twisted with the ever worsening potholes on the roads and finally split the inner wing. If you watch the water flow off the screen, some of it tends to go down past these brackets. I found water was getting in this way as well.

Best to check all these areas if you can. A garage won't charge you too much to mig a bit of metal over these as they are all flat areas not requiring huge amounts of skill or time. Do not despair! Make sure the floorpan is sound though, if you find any rust its best to give it a good wire brushing to ensure its not through the entire panel. If you see daylight, prepare the chequebook for a bit of action....
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Postby shuvit-tim » 28 Jan 2005, 17:46

yeah my money is that the metal beneath your screenwash reservoir is like a cheese grater. mine was and has had a metal plate welded over it. should only need to be about 6 inches square, so cheap as chips. My battery tray is also shot to s**t for the same reason, i just havent got round to getting it fixed yet. (not so much a problem for me at the moment as the entire interior is stripped and the car is dry stored)
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Postby Doive » 28 Jan 2005, 18:17

On a damp interior unrelated note, another place to watch for corrosion is behind the headlamp mounting panel where the rubber boot for the bulb is. The panel here is flat and I've noticed after heavy rain water gathers in this area and sits, as the panel slopes forwards. Also when I had the headlights out, I noticed a nice ridge behind them where the wing meets the front panel, road muck gets thrown up and over this ridge, and traps itself behind the lights. By some miracle mine hadn't rusted, so it had a good coat of red oxide followed by about a gallon of underseal.

Its as if Vauxhall designed in a few rust traps to ensure the cars all died. I'm sure there are many others I will discover in the months to come as the weather warms up, and I start poking around to see what the winter salt has done to my poor little car.
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Postby Shellysowner » 28 Jan 2005, 19:11

Jesus!!! You lot are going on like my car's falling to bits. OK - I went round the entire thing this summer and rustproofed, woxoyl undersealed and sprayed all the appropriate places. I completely cleaned out the inner wings and re-sealed them and went over the underside of the car very carefully to ensure there was no rust. I am also pretty sure I took the washer bottle off but the screen rubber and behind the washer bottle will be my first points of investigation. Can't really do anything for a week though so she'll have to fall apart 'till then. As for paying a garage, I have a large piece of sheet steel and a gas welding set at home so that'll be used to affect any repairs needed. Should cost about....£4 (price of gas). Take out the headlamps is on the easter to do list.

Oh and yes it is actually wet under the mat so I doubt its condenstion.
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Postby Doive » 28 Jan 2005, 19:47

It always sounds worse than it is. Or so I thought until the floorpan came away in my hands. If there is actually water sitting in the floorpan, then there is a constant source coming from somewhere, so check very carefully. It's not that the car's falling apart, just that some areas on the chevette are designed in rust traps. Tim and I just happen to have listed them all against your car!
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Postby alistair » 28 Jan 2005, 20:29

Interesting stuff, 'cos I won't touch "bitumin paint" or "underseal" or even waxoil these days. Been there done that.

Problem you have with any of the rubberised underbody treatments is as soon as you get a stone chip through it then water starts getting thrown up through it and the underseal holds it against the metal and this causes it to creep under the underseal more, meaning huge areas of rust which rot away undetected until someone (you or a MOT tester or a potential buyer) shoves a screwdriver through it and, sod me, its half a floor pan to replace.

Waxoil sucks. If you have to go back to reweld any area within like 2 feet of where you waxoiled the damned waxoil bubbles up and sometimes catches fire. And when waxoil goes up its like napalm. Heard of three cars lost through waxoil fires in the last couple of years. Must be more of them going up too.

I'm busy scraping all the damned underseal off my Vaux at the moment and finding a load of holes hiding under it. When I've got it all off the whole floor will be re-zinc primed, red oxided two coats and then three coats of smooth floor paint.

At least with this you can see the stone chips and touch them up as they occur (each MOT time go under the car on the ramp with the tester and look for the chips)

Far easier to maintain long term.

I have had cars in from the states where they don't underseal them like we do and they have far better undercarridge areas.

Underseal is Satan's treacle.

IMHO :)

Anyways, here's my holes...

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What you can't see is how its spread into the backs of the inner sills. Bah.

And all these panels looked mint before I touched the underseal...
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Postby Shellysowner » 28 Jan 2005, 21:06

I'm not going to argue that underseal is a pile of old b*ll*cks but there's not really much else I can do to a car that's completely undersealed already. The underseal I use at the moment is underseal with waxoyl in which is nice and thin and doesn't add about 20kg in underseal + trapped water to the the car. As for waxoyl fires I've had plenty of them. Best thing to do when welding is to arm yourself with one of those atomisers that gardeners use (filled with water, obviously), have a full watering can behind you and a fire extinguisher on the garage wall for emergencies. Shouldn't have any probs then - I know it sounds stupid to spray water onto freshly welded metal but the heat from the welding should make it all evaporate and then if you paint the metal with a suitable treatment as soon as its cool it should be fine. As for bitumen paint - isn't that for houses?
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