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Postby Goldenbrown » 13 Nov 2006, 10:06

:?:

I have been sitting here looking at the mega money old repro steel wings go for and ask why????

Hadrian car panels can provide a new kadett front wing for not that much and surely must have produced chevette wings?

I wonder if these people can be charmed into making them again?? If there is a demmand.

Any thoughts
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Postby Shuvit-pinto » 13 Nov 2006, 10:15

My Brother-in-law works for Hadrian here in Westbury.

When I asked him about it I was told that all the press / moulds or whatever had been scraped!!!

So, slim chance me thinks.


Worth a try though.
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Postby Shellysowner » 13 Nov 2006, 10:31

I couldn't help but notice this one on eBay.

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Postby Goldenbrown » 13 Nov 2006, 11:02

Yes thats the one and the two last week that got me thinking.
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Postby Doive » 13 Nov 2006, 11:19

Firstly, I know nothing about panel pressing.

Now I've got that out of the way, would it not be possible at all to reverse engineer a press of some sort for very small scale production, perhaps the cost would be prohibitive but then a few companies have produced panels from scratch when the original tooling went west many years ago. It seems every week that new panels arrive for the MGB And Midget despite the particular tooling having disappeared ages past.

Surely it can't be that difficult?
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Re: Steel Chevette wings.

Postby CR500Dom » 13 Nov 2006, 12:52

Goldenbrown wrote::?:

I have been sitting here looking at the mega money old repro steel wings go for and ask why????

Hadrian car panels can provide a new kadett front wing for not that much and surely must have produced chevette wings?

I wonder if these people can be charmed into making them again?? If there is a demmand.

Any thoughts


Hadrian no longer stock Kadett wings either :cry:
But Ebay.de is your freind for Kadett panels :twisted:

There is a guy on Retro-rides who bought Racer 86`s Blue Chevette and just scrapped it....

He is selling a pair of new steel chevette wings :wink:

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Postby Herbie_Flowers » 13 Nov 2006, 17:52

Doive wrote:Firstly, I know nothing about panel pressing.

i do :)
Doive wrote:Now I've got that out of the way, would it not be possible at all to reverse engineer a press of some sort for very small scale production, perhaps the cost would be prohibitive but then a few companies have produced panels from scratch when the original tooling went west many years ago.

all pattern panels are reverse engineered that's how they're able to reproduce them.
Doive wrote:It seems every week that new panels arrive for the MGB And Midget despite the particular tooling having disappeared ages past.

i'm pretty sure all of that stuff is made from the original tooling or they have the original drawings with which to make the tools from.
Doive wrote:Surely it can't be that difficult?

yes it is but the biggest deciding factor is cost. the best we could hope for is someone willing to produce "soft" tooling and doing a limited run(however long the tools last for normally).
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Postby Doive » 13 Nov 2006, 18:51

I forgot - that's your area of expertise. :D

So how much are we talking about for someone to produce soft tools for the wings?
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Postby Herbie_Flowers » 13 Nov 2006, 20:25

i wouldn't have a clue mate in all honesty as i have only ever been involved in the manufacture/repair of normal press tooling which is bl00dy hard(after heat treatment).
whether or not these would be interested in our plight i don't know.
forgot to add that patents are applied quite vigorously in this industry which is why pattern panels sometimes have extra holes or are not quite dimensionally correct and to give you some idea of costs of normal tooling, the tool that makes the inlet manifold for Jag V8s(AJ26, AJ28) cost £1,000,000 and a kit of dies to make a wing could well be upwards of £500,000 depending on the number of tools made to make it.
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Postby Mantadoc » 15 Nov 2006, 20:48

Spoke to that company today about Manta coupe rear panels, has anyone got one that they want to make me pay through the nose for?

Basically one mint panel is sacrificed to make the moulds in alloy. Minimum production run was 20. I was hoping to borrow a good panel for them to measure but I can't see the one guy I know with an OEM panel being up for it being rendered useless in exchange for a second gen copy.

So you need a selfless individual who will sacrifice 2 mint wings to go that route.

Price was a show us the panel and we'll work it out.
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Postby Shoveitpusher » 16 Nov 2006, 11:54

i wonder if they create cad models for cad cam or actually create positive and negative splashes.

if the former it may be possible to get parts scanned and surfaced.

that company seem to do all the classics of the chevette era including sunbeams and avengers so they do have a gap in their portfolio
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Postby Doive » 16 Nov 2006, 12:38

I would have thought it was possible to surface scan a wing and get a set of absolute co-ordinates to allow replication of the wing in software. From this a set of dimensions could be made up to produce a suitable jig. I expect this would be horribly expensive.

I'd guess any company who reproduced Chevette wings would get quite a few sales, I'd have a pair anyway. Also, I really can't see there being more Sunbeams and Avengers on the road than there are Chevettes.
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Postby CR500Dom » 16 Nov 2006, 13:40

Doive wrote:I would have thought it was possible to surface scan a wing and get a set of absolute co-ordinates to allow replication of the wing in software. From this a set of dimensions could be made up to produce a suitable jig. I expect this would be horribly expensive.

I'd guess any company who reproduced Chevette wings would get quite a few sales, I'd have a pair anyway. Also, I really can't see there being more Sunbeams and Avengers on the road than there are Chevettes.


You just need a FARO arm :wink:

That gives you a Point cloud to import into a CAD package which you can then surface and create a 3D solid tool from

You can then Cut tooling direct from the CAD Model

Wont be cheap and how much would you all want to pay for each wing ??

If they were £200 each would you buy them ?

Fact is at the moment, the cars dont command enough of a price to warrant tooling up for panels

They are not worth enough yet.......

If they were like Mk1 Escorts with good used Mexico steel wings making £200 each S/H then it would be worth tooling up for

MG`s etc and the following they have world wide can justify it as they are going to get the use out of the tooling and plenty of sales

Its supply and demand :roll: and 10 or so people on a Forum not being able to buy wing from Hadrian for £36 does not constitute sufficient demand to scan a current wing, let alone model the tooling and see about getting quotes.

And FWIW, the sills I got from Hadrian for the Chevette/Kadett, may as well have been for a Mondeo :shock: they were nothing like the right shape :evil:

So Much so I made a template and folded my own up instead

The Hadrian ones are going on ebay unless anyone else wants them :?: :oops:

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Postby Shellysowner » 16 Nov 2006, 14:11

CR500Dom wrote:And FWIW, the sills I got from Hadrian for the Chevette/Kadett, may as well have been for a Mondeo :shock: they were nothing like the right shape :evil:

So Much so I made a template and folded my own up instead

The Hadrian ones are going on ebay unless anyone else wants them :?: :oops:


In that case I'm sorry I recommended Hadrian to you Dom. I had some Morris Minor panels off them once and they were really good.

Speaking personally I'd be prepared to pay £100 for a brand harry-spankers pattern wing. Might stretch to £120 if I really needed it :)
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Postby Doive » 16 Nov 2006, 14:23

I know what you mean Dom. I used to work for the company who made the likes of the FARO arm. Still have a few sources there, perhaps they would allow me use of one of their CMMs to get an accurate co-ordinate set :D

I'm surprised at the quality issues with Hadrian, from what I've heard they have a good record for pattern parts. In fact I was going to go along to their premises in Fourstones to see about getting wings made up, but if they really are going to be poor quality then perhaps it's a waste of everyone's time.
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Postby Mantadoc » 16 Nov 2006, 19:55

I had a front valance from Hadrian for a Kadett and two wings about 5 years ago, valance fitted fine, wings had usual anomalies, including differences in construction. One had the gusseted piece let in by the wing rail above the headlight, the other did not and was wrinkley in that area. Two forms of construction may imply buying in from different sources.

I bought some Veng wings about 15 years ago and the fit to the scuttle (curve under windscreen) wasn't quite right, as were a couple of other places, but wings are a lot to harder to fold than sills lol.

The remanufacture method described to me sounded like casting against either side of the panel in alloy. All that cad and especially machining new tooling is where the money goes. Surely its better to sacrifice a wing to get 20 than discuss saving a wing by using expensive methods so you will ultimately never get any more?

At least you guys seem interested in saving your cars. I put a wanted add for a manta rear panel on a forum last night with a note asking if I can get some made is anyone interested, no replies yet.
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Postby Doive » 17 Nov 2006, 10:09

I'd happily donate a good wing if I had one, or even a pair. I'd say a pair of new wings for a couple of hundred notes isn't obscenely expensive, seeing as the fibreglass ones make 80 quid each. The investment in tooling would be the most expensive, and then you would need a guaranteed return of sales to make it worthwhile. I'd be willing to take the plunge if anyone else would go along with me - all we need are a pair of good wings!
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