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Fibreglass front end...?

PostPosted: 21 Nov 2005, 23:31
by penski
Just an idle thought I had earlier today at work.

Would a fibreglass 1-piece front, secured using Dzus fasteners to where the wings bolt on 'work'?

Keep the inner wings as is and have the outer wings/bumper as one or two mouldings...

It'd certainly save a bit of weight and would mean you could save your steel wings from possible damage...

*n

PostPosted: 21 Nov 2005, 23:36
by spyke
but thats the thing saving steel wings from damage, but all you doing is weakening the car and more damage will be done with fibre glass

PostPosted: 22 Nov 2005, 15:51
by penski
I thought the outer wings were not structural..?

*n

PostPosted: 22 Nov 2005, 23:23
by Tortron
if you were to hit anthing the steel ones would protect the inner ones alot better, to saying that you shouldnt be hitting anything in the 1st place.

PostPosted: 22 Nov 2005, 23:46
by penski
I'm talking about everyday knocks kinda thing...Plus they wouldn't rot. ;)

*n

PostPosted: 22 Nov 2005, 23:49
by Tortron
well in that case put me down for a front end/valance :)

PostPosted: 23 Nov 2005, 17:56
by iety2004
When u say front end, are u including the front panel?

cos im pretty sure that would be structual, the wings an the bonnet u could get away with.

PostPosted: 23 Nov 2005, 18:25
by Neilyman
1 peice full flip front...Herald/Vitesse stylee, would be the dogs!

Should be easy enough to build an inner wing support, come rad mount from 3/4" square tubing.

Nice winter project there to keep you out of trouble Penksi :)

PostPosted: 23 Nov 2005, 20:33
by Tortron
perhaps a bit of steel in there to keep the structure, wouldnt have to be much id think

PostPosted: 23 Nov 2005, 21:11
by penski
Neilyman wrote:1 peice full flip front...Herald/Vitesse stylee, would be the dogs!

Should be easy enough to build an inner wing support, come rad mount from 3/4" square tubing.

Nice winter project there to keep you out of trouble Penksi :)


My winter project involves products made by Eaton, bits off a Rover V8 a belt and a mad grin ;)

From scrutinising the car and Haynes' manual, I think that the only essential structural bits would be the inner wings and chassis rails. Bracing at the front of both (including mounts for the rad, allowing the rad to sit further forward) would help.

But...would it be better as a single-piece item attached with pins and dzus fasteners or as an outer wings and bumper section attached by dzus fasteners to the original outer wing mounts and a bonnet attached by pins?

*n

PostPosted: 23 Nov 2005, 23:29
by Harry Flatters
You'd need something at the front to tie it all together.

My vote would be retain the inner wings, chassis rails, headlamp / slam panel and associated bits & pieces, just ditch the wings, front panel and valance, then make a one piece to replace both wings and the front panel, incorporating your spoiler of choice in place of the valance.

I think you'd find you got really fed up of undoing all the Dzus fasteners and lifting off a great big chunk of fibreglass to replace a headlight bulb, so either flip front on hinges or a separate bonnet might be the way to go.

I suspect that the welded on front panel probably gives a bit of extra torsional resistance, so it may be worth putting a bit of extra strength back in to replace that.

One problem with glass wings always was the extra thickness of the fibreglass (for strength) messed up all the shut lines and panel fits, so you'd have to watch that.

PostPosted: 24 Nov 2005, 08:26
by penski
Panel fit? On a British car? Pah! ;)

*n

PostPosted: 24 Nov 2005, 17:58
by hsr2.6
well my car is having a fibreglass front end this year.it does'nt matter if it's steel or fg if you hit it hard it's going to be a mess........

PostPosted: 24 Nov 2005, 18:13
by Harry Flatters
:lol:

PostPosted: 24 Nov 2005, 18:17
by penski
What series allow complete FG fronts though? I know a lot of series restrict it to opening panels only (bonnet, boot and doors)...

*n

PostPosted: 24 Nov 2005, 18:45
by Miss Icey
Speaking from Mini experience (as I guess this would apply to FG front ending a Chevette).

I'm FG fronting my mini, to make it road legal you need brace bars.
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Probably pretty easy to fabricate some yourself.

Also when FG the mini you need to cut some of the inner wing away, well actually most of it!


Will it be a flipfront? If so I suggest using 'Caravan' connectors - keeps the nasty wet and dirty out.

PostPosted: 24 Nov 2005, 18:48
by Miss Icey
Harry Flatters wrote:
I think you'd find you got really fed up of undoing all the Dzus fasteners and lifting off a great big chunk of fibreglass to replace a headlight bulb, so either flip front on hinges or a separate bonnet might be the way to go.



I've found these which I will be using - IMO better than Dzus fasteners.

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Just going to put an extra small square panel on my 'a' panel just to give it some extra strength :D

PostPosted: 24 Nov 2005, 19:29
by Harry Flatters
I think that's the point I was making, my impression was that Penski was thinking of attaching via the original bolt fastenings but using Dzus instead, so lots of them. Flip front'd avoid that.

I guess the brace bars replace the strength you've lost by removing outer & part of the inner wings, given that pretty much everything on a Mini is structural?!

Mate of mine had a nightmare getting an MoT on a spaceframe Mini wih no boot floor and a beam rear end.....

PostPosted: 24 Nov 2005, 19:34
by Miss Icey
Harry Flatters wrote:I think that's the point I was making, my impression was that Penski was thinking of attaching via the original bolt fastenings but using Dzus instead, so lots of them. Flip front'd avoid that.

I guess the brace bars replace the strength you've lost by removing outer & part of the inner wings, given that pretty much everything on a Mini is structural?!

Mate of mine had a nightmare getting an MoT on a spaceframe Mini wih no boot floor and a beam rear end.....


Sorry I should read more closely :oops:

Yes - the brace bars replace the strength you loose when you remove the inner wings!

PostPosted: 25 Nov 2005, 10:48
by penski
I was thinking Dzus fasteners every second or third bolt hole for the wings - they're not that hard to remove...ten minutes?

*n

PostPosted: 25 Nov 2005, 18:28
by Harry Flatters
No, but it'd turn minor jobs into a bit more of chore, plus you'd then be dealing with a big unwieldy chunk of fibreglass, so I was thinking if you were going to include the bonnet it'd pay to make it separately opening - or make it a flip front if it was all one piece with the bonnet included.