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Postby Gazza808 » 19 Oct 2006, 17:18

Is There any uprated axels that fit with not soo much modification??/

or any place that can do the work??? (like turreting and fitting the axel)#

Going to need to handle about 300bhp... with more torque...

o yeah im thinking either... ford T5 or T9 gear box as well


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Postby CR500Dom » 19 Oct 2006, 18:53

Well where are you for one thing

Any axle to take 300hp 300ft/lbs is going to require a lot of work to fit

You`ll be looking at something like a Ford Atlas and associated cost and width (Arches)
Or Volvo 240 and similar problems

Type 9 fits the tunnel without too much work, but that will depend on what you are bolting it on the back of :roll: and bellhousing size

I fitted one last weekend on the back of a Zetec SE, gear lever is in a different place and the tunnel needed clearancing with a hammer in one section along with the removal of the original gearbox mounts

T5 will require new tunnel I would imagine as its a much bigger box.
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Postby Gazza808 » 19 Oct 2006, 18:56

im in peterborough (Cambs)

but would travel any were in england

would the manta b axel take it???

oh and it would be going on the back of a C20let...

any other real chooses of boxes???


sorry about all the questions


thanx for the info :D
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Postby UpNorth » 19 Oct 2006, 19:47

300bhp is way to much for a Manta axle. They generally say it's good for a totally reliable 200ish on the road - however rallying it's to much.

Mind, usually it's torque that does the damage but I suppose the general rule is that torque will usually rise in relation to power.
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Postby Gazza808 » 19 Oct 2006, 20:16

So imagine they could handle 250bhpish... N/A?? like high revving little torqe type engine??


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Postby CancerWagon » 19 Oct 2006, 23:34

With that much power I'd be going for a 3/4 ton truck/lorry axle, and narrowing it to fit. This is not a cheap or easy option, but it'll stand up to the abuse okay.

I've got a axle of that type, but it's about 18" too wide. Will require some machine shop work & some welding....
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Postby UpNorth » 20 Oct 2006, 06:47

Gazza808 wrote:So imagine they could handle 250bhpish... N/A?? like high revving little torqe type engine??


You might be lucky depending upon your driving style but I doubt it :lol: :lol:
I'd tend to think in terms of 225ish provided it's road use.
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Postby Harry Flatters » 20 Oct 2006, 07:00

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Postby Shoveitpusher » 20 Oct 2006, 08:18

if you want scooby killing potential then look for acceleration and traction not bhp. you'll get more by playing with the suspension and gearing than you will by brute horse power.

for 250 or 300bhp you are looking at an atlas or 4HA with a slipper and they are not cheap, you won't just need to get it turreted either, it'll need proper 5 linking, possibly with a Watts linkage not the panhard rod.

you're also going to need a gearbox that can take it and i'm not sure a type 9 can, the rally cars i know of with this sort of horse power are into cossie boxes with uprated internals or full after market jobbies such as quaiffe.

if you really want to do a big job then how about putting a scooby drivetrain in the chevette shell - been done with an escort in Ireland.

be interesting what you decide to do
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Postby TJM » 20 Oct 2006, 10:55

For the kind of power you are hoping to put through the axle you are going to be looking at at least £2K for a properly built Atlas and could even go upto £3K depending upon spec.

Salisbury 4HA will be another option but expect to pay about the same for a well built example with LSD.

T5 Cosworth box as stated is probably your best option with uprated internals and a few bellhousings are available to mount to different engines. Quite a few companies make internals from them such as: Quaife/Glebe etc again big bucks for a well built one.

Sounds like an interesting project so keep us informed.

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Postby Gazza808 » 20 Oct 2006, 13:48

it will just be for road use....

maybe i if i take it really easy???

any way u can uprate the manta axel??

may change plans for just a 2litre for now with a few tweaks... and a Ford T5 bow will take 300bhp easy...

also any where that could modify my shell and axel to fit together??
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Postby UpNorth » 20 Oct 2006, 18:39

Any rally preparation garage. They'll want to sit down with you first to discuss your requirements & talk through the options.

Mind, the sky's the limit cost-wise!!
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Postby CR500Dom » 21 Oct 2006, 22:39

Gazza808 wrote:it will just be for road use....

maybe i if i take it really easy???

any way u can uprate the manta axel??

may change plans for just a 2litre for now with a few tweaks... and a Ford T5 bow will take 300bhp easy...

also any where that could modify my shell and axel to fit together??


You want to speak to Gary at Retro motorsport in Harlow :wink:

He put my turrets in for me and will do the full 4 link and watts linkage set up next year :wink:
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Tell him Dom with the Kadett sent you :wink:

As for making the axle last longer, run smaller tyres 8) they will break traction before you break the axle that way :wink:

Its when you start running 8 or 9" sticky tyres that you going to have trouble. :D
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Postby Gazza808 » 22 Oct 2006, 12:18

cheers guys supper info :)
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