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Postby Kevins /// Kustoms /// » 09 Feb 2005, 00:52

I heard that the easiest swap is a 2.8L but i dont know much about chevettes im planing on getting one though. Can someone help me out. Whats the easiest swap ??? What are the steps i should take ??? What needs to be changed ??? What problems might i run into ???
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Postby shuvit-tim » 09 Feb 2005, 02:18

it all depends on your motivations for the conversion mate. What exactly is it you want to do with it? Fast road use? Motorsport use?

Here are your basic choices though:

1) 1600 astra/nova GTE 8V
2) " " " " 16V
3) 2.0L vauxhall 8V
4) 2.0L vauxhall XE 16V

5) 2.0L ford pinto

6) 2.6 HS/HSR engine (rare as rocking horse poo)
7) 2.8 V6

There are probably more conversions out there.

a 1600 8V will liberate up to about 130BHP with a good engine fast road cam and a nice set of twin 45s

a 1600 16V is good for about 150BHP, again, with a good engine and lots of extra bits

The 2.0 8V isnt worth doing in my opinion, if you are going to go to all that trouble, you might as well opt for the 16V XE as it is an excellent engine. It's also good for about 180 BHP :D

The pinto is your viable alternative to the XE, some people hate them, some people swear by them.

I dont think yo'll find a HS or HSR engine vey easily

I know of V6 conversions, but have no idea how hard it is to do.

Whichever of these you are going to do you are going to need: 1) a different gearbox (manta 1800 box for any of the above vauxhall engines, you can use allsorts for the pinto but i'm not sure which), 2) you'll need a different rear axle, as the standard one snaps at anythign above 100BHP. Your options for this are a manta 'A' axle, a manta 'B' axle - although to fit the B axle you'll need wider arches, or a HS/HSR axle which are rare as hens teeth. To fit this different axle, you'll need to turret the rear suspension and source some manta GTE byldenstein shock absorbers

Because you've changed the box, you'll need a custom propshaft, as the standard one will be the wrong length.

I'd advise uprating your brakes if you are adding the power, manta brakes add a little more stopping power, volvo 4 pots on carlton disks add a lot more stopping power.

With each of the above engines you'll need extra ancillaries. They are all front wheel drive engines, and you are turning them round, so you will need a different sump and pick up pipe. For the vauxhall engines you will need a manta sump. You will more than likely also need the loom from any engine you are putting in, and probably the dizzy setup.

If you stay with injection on any of the above engines you will need a different fueltank also

Sorry, i've made this sound so so daunting, :?

i'm currently undertaking a 1600 8V conversion BTW.
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Postby Shoveitpusher » 09 Feb 2005, 14:03

all the above is spot on - also add to the list vauxhall 2.3 8v.

the easiest change has to be a manta 1800 ohc into a saloon. the only change needed would be the prop. needs new engine mounts though and arches to accomodate the axle. i'd take the brakes as well.
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Postby shuvit-tim » 09 Feb 2005, 14:11

yeah forgot about the manta 1800. I chose the 1600 option as mine is for motorsport/rallying use, and the 1800 is a relatively heavy engine as well as the fact I didnt want to be competing in to high a class. But if it is for road use then i'd probably have gone for the 1800 conversion.

Bascially mate, it all depens on what you want, how much you have to spend and how mechanically minded you are
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Postby Kevins /// Kustoms /// » 09 Feb 2005, 22:01

Thanks for all of your posts guys. It helped me out alot and im sure it will help out with others. I think i might just go for the 2.8L v6. Chevettes are good little cars and i think it would be worth it when its done. What i would do is fully modify the 2.8L Bore it all out. Set up some juice. And ill be eating rice at the track. If anyone has any sujestions on what i good sleeper would be please post. Keep up the good work everyone. :D .
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Postby Shoveitpusher » 10 Feb 2005, 09:00

Kevins /// Kustoms /// wrote:Thanks for all of your posts guys. It helped me out alot and im sure it will help out with others. I think i might just go for the 2.8L v6. Chevettes are good little cars and i think it would be worth it when its done. What i would do is fully modify the 2.8L Bore it all out. Set up some juice. And ill be eating rice at the track. If anyone has any sujestions on what i good sleeper would be please post. Keep up the good work everyone. :D .


your in for a lot of work then, ironically there was a chevette shell on ebay a while ago ready to take a v6. sadly you'll get less power than an XE conversion but it should be an interesting toy when it's finished, good luck.
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Postby shuvit-tim » 10 Feb 2005, 10:53

i think it'll be great with a V6 in. There are a couple of guys in the memberlist running V6's i think, might b able to help you out with advise
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Postby Shuvit-pinto » 10 Feb 2005, 21:36

I used to run my First Chevette before I put the Pinto in with a Ford
X-flow 1600 then a 1700. I had a Ford bullet box out of a Cortina MK11 ( which I still have ) with a MK3 bell housing and first motion shaft fitted to it as the old Cort had hydaulic clutch.

The Prop we made our selfes from a Transit front half with a MK1 Cavalier U/J welded to the back end to couple to the standard Chevette axle, and it worked, balanced first time!

The front brake discs and callipers were of the Cavalier MK1 again and I put on Bilstien shocks all round.

The exhaust was a unit I bought out of a catalogue with a 4 branch 4-2-1 manifold coupled to a 2" system ( prob cant get them now ) as was the engine mount kit which we modified to mount the engine straight instead of the off set they had designed into them.

Thats about all I can remember but I do remember we had to move the gear stick hole back a bit I think.

Whent pretty well for a road car and I drove it for many thousands of miles before I put the Pinto in.

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Postby Kevins /// Kustoms /// » 11 Feb 2005, 02:46

Well iv found a few chevettes, but i havent got one yet, the ones i found are 4 doors but there cheap. But im stuck on the v6 2.8L camaro engine swap. I heard its the easiest to do and its worth it. Ill be replacing the rear axle with a S-15 axle. I know that the oil pan has to be cut 1.5" for clearance, the transmission cross member has to be changed. The motor mounts need to be made up, the rad has to be moved a bit, and i think my friend said there was something about the tranny that needed to be switched. Well what im going to do is just pull the 1.6L and drop in the 2.8L and change everything as i go along. IF ANYONE HAS ANY SUJESTIONS PLEASE POST. IF ANYONE KNOWS OF ANY CHEAP CHEVETTES FOR SALE AROUND TORONTO THEN POST. Thank you to all that are posting.

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Postby Kevins /// Kustoms /// » 11 Feb 2005, 02:58

O ya one more thing, just to let you guys know, what im going for is a sleeper. I want it so that im beside some guy in a honda civic that thinks hes the sh1t, ill rev it up he'll laugh, ill take off when the light turns green and he will look stupid. I might add a hood scoop, shave the door handles and some nice american racing rims. But the main focus is getting that 2.8L in so that the car is driving under its own power and then ill upgrade the suspension put posi rear end, 2.5" dual exaust, beef up the engine. You know how we do. This is gunna be a Kevins /// Kustom ///. Iv already had 3 realy sucesful cars. The next is the chevette :twisted:
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Postby V6 Chevette Fan » 11 Feb 2005, 04:21

K.K.

It sure sounds like the way of doing a 2.8 engine swap like K.K. is more work than swapping a 4.3 V6 like the way bruce303 is doing.

Bruce303 is using a motor plate eliminates the motor mounts,
you get to keep the same oil pan without cutting, using a 3 core rad,
and having alot more horse power.
Plus the whole package is solid & tight.

He's using a t5 trans with that 4.11 ford 9 posi which is totally
alot better than an s-15 rear, and I'm sure going to do mine
the in the next week or so the 4.3 way.

Each to their own.
What ever does the job.
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Postby shuvit-tim » 11 Feb 2005, 04:35

having just realised you're in america, you can ignore pretty much all of my advice as it applies mostly to UK chevettes. sorry! no idea about the cars over the pond or what's available for modification :oops:
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Postby Kevins /// Kustoms /// » 11 Feb 2005, 21:17

Shuvit-tim I still think ur a good guy and thank you for the info anyways. I can tell that you know alot about the uk chevettes. :D. And thank you v6 chevette fan, i never knew that a 4.3L would be easier. If you could tell me what needs to be changed and to what, that would be great. And what the engine is out of. The only reason i chosse the 2.8L was beacuse a guy i was talking to on cardomain did the 2.8L swap and said it was easy. But im sure you guys know what your talking about. all i need to know is what needs to be done to swap everything in and what the motor is out of. Thanks for the info v6 chevette fan. :wink:
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Postby shuvit-tim » 11 Feb 2005, 21:36

my knowledge is limited i'm afraid to my own experiences. As i've looked into and started a larger engine conversion i know the pitfalls. Neily, doive, shoveitpusher and hsr2.6 were my sources of info 12 months ago lol!
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Postby Crum B » 11 Feb 2005, 21:39

I'm doing a 2.8 swap in my chevette (you problably already know that) but the 2.8 is i think the best choice because to me a chevette weighs a bit over 2000 pounds so realy you dont need much more power although I would drop a 4.3 into mine anyday if I had one handy but I have a 2.8 chev s15 with a great motor in it so I intend to use it.But if you dont want all the work of cutting the oil pan go to the auto wrecker and see if you can find a 4 wheel drive S15,S10 the pan is shorter and you wont have to cut it.
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Postby Doive » 11 Feb 2005, 21:40

Thanks for the recognition Tim, but the closest I've come to an engine swap is setting the tappets! Ask me stuff about standard brakes, and I'm sure I can help you out - although its not difficult.

Some of the guys on this forum are a fountain of knowledge, for US engine swaps may I recommend 4x4Chevette as he has basically done all that can be done to a stock Chevette.
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Postby Kevins /// Kustoms /// » 12 Feb 2005, 01:21

Hey crum b thanks for the tips, i see you live in beeton, thats not to far from me, im in Barrie. So i was wondering if you could tell me all the step to do the swap and all the options i have, easiest ways to do things and so on. I never new that a four wheel drive s-10 or s-15 oil pan would fit. So if you could please tell me what it would take to do the swap from start to finish if i was to do the 2.8L swap with the s-15 rear axle. Thanks.

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Postby Kevins /// Kustoms /// » 12 Feb 2005, 05:02

Ok guy thank you for all of your help. I have found a site that telles you everything to do and where and how to do it and shows you pictures. The 2.8L is the way to go. Its light easy to swap fits in nicley. The bigest thing to do is the motor mounts and a few other little things. Other than that everything goes nicely. Theres alot yes but if you take you time and do it step by step its worth it. If anyone wants the site ill post it up for you.

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Chevette build up is just around the corner. The perfact chevette is waiting for me now all i have to do is find it. Iv got about $500 saved up can anyone help me out. The guy from beeton, im just a few mins away can you help me out ?????? Two door only. Thanks guys.
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Postby shuvit-tim » 12 Feb 2005, 12:26

find out if the sites server supports remote linking and if it does post a link to it in the forum so others can benefit
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Postby Crum B » 12 Feb 2005, 15:24

Well I may have a blue 82' 2 door for you I am using the motor and tranny for my race car and the fenders but theres a spare set so I can put them on.the body is in good shape but the interior is kinda nasty the guy we got it from has put Z24 seats in it so the carpets been messed with. It was a 4 speed.I'll have to talk to my dad but once we get the motor out its really useless to us.
I'd say its worth about $150-200.00
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Postby Kevins /// Kustoms /// » 12 Feb 2005, 21:47

Ya i might be interested in that 82 chevette, aslong as you have ownership for it. So you said it needs 2 front fenders and the motor and tranny dont matter anyways. Ill talk to my dad and see what he says. Or if you know of any for sale then let me know. Hey if you wanna make a deal that will make you some money how about this, you drop in a 2.8L for me hook it up so it can drive under its own power and ill give you $1000 cash. Or if you havent pulled the motor yet ill give you cash name your price and we will go from there. And one more think, what is the body and frame like ??? E-mail me at [email protected]ail.com. We will work out a deal. :wink:

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Postby Kevins /// Kustoms /// » 12 Feb 2005, 21:49

No iv been every where but the speed way. I want to go one day though.
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Postby Crum B » 12 Feb 2005, 23:26

I took a look at the Blue 2 door today and the interior is really not that great the radio is gone the carpets gone and half the wiring is modified but I do have a 1986 2 door thats silver the body needs minor work (paint and some patches mostly the door bottoms) but the interior is better than the other car the motor is blown but we'll be taking it out anyways and the fenders on it are of the race car so they need a bit of work.there is all the ownership for the car.I can have most of the things on the car sorted out in about 3 weeks or so.But if you'd like I will watch out for other chevettes for sale that are in better shape.
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Postby Kevins /// Kustoms /// » 13 Feb 2005, 06:59

Well if that siver chevette is in better shape and is for sale name your price. Ill come out and take a look at the cars through the week if you want to sell them. Hey if your interested in a moped ill trade you a mint, 1969 jawa moped 50cc, its custom made up a bit. It goes 45km/h. Grippy tires if you want to go off road. And you dont need a licence to drive it. Its for sale in the super shopper for $500 but if you are interested we could do an even swap or work out a deal. I might still be interested in the blue chevette. Ill have to come out and take a look at them. If you have msn add me to yours and we will swap phone #'s. Or just e-mail me at my hotmail with ur if you want. [email protected] thanks crum b. Hey whats your name by the way ??
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Postby Crum B » 13 Feb 2005, 15:36

The silver one is definately better but if you want to see the blue one you can check it out too.I have to do a bit of work on the silver and blue cars befor they can go which may take about 3 weeks but you can take a look anytime.I have school during the day but my dads shop is where the cars are He's Dave Crumbie owner of California Daves Complete Autobody you can get ahold of him at the shop at 905-729-2175 and can work out a deal.
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