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Postby Galgeth » 22 May 2006, 23:51

Does anyone know of a zetec conversion in a chevette :?:

I am looking for a light 1800 engine for hillclimbing. I have abandoned my fiat twin cam on account of tuning costs and inferior power output (compared to redtop). I have decided to downsize to 1800 and compete in a lower class.

Other contenders for installation include the 1800 manta engine, an astra/nova 1800 variant and the alfa romeo twin spark!!!!

The application is for a car to compete in the 1400-1800 modified hillclimb class (C2). Funds are limited and so I need a good, cheap & reliable engine which will upset some 1700 crossflow escorts and MK1 golf gti's!

I have read throught most of the threads but haven't found anything on zetecs? Anyone have any thoughts on these or any other engine for this application? Alfa a good idea?- probably not! :oops:

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Postby CR500Dom » 23 May 2006, 18:24

I am fitting a Zetec SE in my Kadett

1600cc with Supercharger :wink:

The SE or Sigma motor to give it, its correct name is an All Alloy Yamaha designed Motor as foitted to Puma, Fiesta, Focus (1.4/1.6)

It comes in 1.25l 1.4L 1.6L and 1.7L with VVT and Nikasil bores in the Puma.

From the 1600 version you can get 220hp on standard valve sizes :wink:

It weighs 82kg fully dressed so nice and light as well

Bellhousings are available from BPJ and Shawspeed to mate to a type 9 ford box, inlet manifolds are available too for twin sidedrafts or TB`s

Its a much better design than the Zetec, and a lot lighter :wink:
Starting to be more and more tuning parts available for them too...

They are still comparatively cheap as well....

Check out my piccies in the members cars area if you want an Idea of size etc

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Postby Galgeth » 23 May 2006, 19:45

Dom, your Kadette looks awesome! I forgot about the puma -nice one :oops: May well head in that direction but I am not going to bother with forced induction. You seem fairly clued up on these engines. What sort of power are we talking from the 1700 as standard? I am looking for 150-180bhp, but more importantly I want a light revy engine with barrel loads of torque.
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Postby Galgeth » 23 May 2006, 22:41

Just been looking on ebay for puma engines and they arent cheap! How "special" is the puma racing engine compared to stock item and is it worth the extra £500 or so? I think a trip to the scrappie is in order!
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Postby CR500Dom » 25 May 2006, 22:57

Galgeth wrote:Just been looking on ebay for puma engines and they arent cheap! How "special" is the puma racing engine compared to stock item and is it worth the extra £500 or so? I think a trip to the scrappie is in order!


Genuine Puma Racing engine is worth a lot more than £500 more than the cooking one :wink:
Totally different internals and well worth getting if you can find one

1700cc Puma lumps are expensive because the fiesta boys want them, much better to look for a 1600 :wink: as they dont command such a premium and you can still get serious power out of them.....should see 150hp with a decent exhaust and a set of bike carbs (Cheap) or throttlebodies (more expensive)
Run it on megajolt for sparks with the standard coil pack and you are laughing :D
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Postby Galgeth » 26 May 2006, 11:39

I was thinking of buying a 1.7 puma then swopping the engine for a 1.6 and selling on again! There doesnt seem to be much price difference between the 1.6 and 1.7 cars second hand.

I know of a puma racing engine for £1400. I have been looking into it and the only difference between that and the standard 1700 appears to be the cams, exhaust manifold and ecu? I am a bit worried that putting this engine into a rwd car and having to make a custom exhaust will loose some of the benifit from the engine? £1400 is a bit steep for me at the moment, but I guess you get what you pay for and it would probably be worth it in the long run!
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Postby opel_charlie » 26 May 2006, 18:30

As you've said and from what i've read there isnt much difference between the standard 1700 & the racing puma 1.7.

You can use the 1.7 parts like exhaust/inlet bits n bobs etc on the 1600, for the money it isnt worth bothering with the 1700.

For cheaps you could buy a 1.8 manta off ebay or whatever for £200'ish and do an 1800 injection conversion which just borders on said cc for said hill climb event competitions.

You'll need to make up an exhaust whatever you do or if your good with a welder?
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Postby Galgeth » 26 May 2006, 20:06

opel_charlie wrote:As you've said and from what i've read there isnt much difference between the standard 1700 & the racing puma 1.7.


Standard 1700 engine 123bhp,
Racing 1700 engine 150bhp.

The 1600 comes in at around 100bhp but lacks the vvt and a few other tweeks. I guess the 1700 head would fit on there? What sort of figures do you recon are realistic without supercharging and overstretching it too much?

I agree the 1700 isn’t worth the money and I will only get one if it comes along at the right price. Personally I think the manta engine is too heavy for this application :?: but I may end up using it if I buy a manta for bits. Would prefer the 1800 zetec over the manta tho! Guess I am looking for a low mileage 1600 then :wink:

I haven't had much practice with a welder because my old man is quite adept with one and a little anal about quality welding! (hope he never figures out how to use a computer) I would be lucky to be let loose on farm machinery! :cry: I guess I have no cause for complaint really, but I would like to be able to do it myself!
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Postby Galgeth » 26 May 2006, 20:18

:shock:

check these prices out!

http://www.pumabuild.co.uk/catalog/defa ... th=1_49_54

£2050 difference between 1600 and 1700 bottom end! (Not that I would buy one new!). Thats absurd!

Big valve cylinder head £700!

Ouch!
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Postby CR500Dom » 27 May 2006, 09:07

Galgeth wrote:

The 1600 comes in at around 100bhp but lacks the vvt and a few other tweeks. I guess the 1700 head would fit on there? What sort of figures do you recon are realistic without supercharging and overstretching it too much?



Check out www.shawspeed.com

Or the people I got my bits from who were extremely helpful
Paul Jackson at BPJ Services

http://www.information.gb.com/bpjservices/frame.html

Pumabuild are massively overpriced IMHO

Cams, some headwork, lighten flywheel, throttlebodies or carbs.... all the usual stuff and you should have a sensible motor

You dont want VVT...... how are you going to control it ? just adds expense when it comes to ECU`s and for big power it is no good anyway because you cant get cams :wink:

Stick with the 1600......

Like I said before 220hp available on standard valve sizes :D

Decent inlet and exhaust and some mapping should see 150hp which will be plenty

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Postby Galgeth » 27 May 2006, 10:29

Thanks for the contacts Dom.

Definately decided the 1600 is the way to go! To be honest I dont know that much about vvt, just read somewhere it gave better power throughout the revs!

What bike carbs should/could I get? I don’t know much about bike carbs either! :oops: Throttle bodies are bit expensive for me at the mo!

I guess, given the compact and aluminium nature of the engine it would be none too wise/possible to bore the engine out a little? - not that it would yield that much benefit for the cost anyway! Is it possible to fit the 1700 bottom end to a 1600 head to get that little bit extra? Just looking at options really.

What are 'Nikasil bores' by the way? Google tells me its special hardened liners!?

Oh and spotted your kadette in Retro Ford (May 2006, p117)...............
Don’t know how that managed to get into my library? :oops:
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Postby UpNorth » 28 Jun 2006, 10:24

Galgeth wrote:Oh and spotted your kadette in Retro Ford (May 2006, p117)...............
Don’t know how that managed to get into my library? :oops:


Have you got a scan of this so we can have a look? (unfortunately the local library, a.k.a. WHSmiths, doesn't have the May issue).
Anyone have a 6R4 for sale? Unfortunately I've only got £1K spare but I could throw in a few eggs to sweeten the deal!
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Postby Galgeth » 28 Jun 2006, 11:59

Yes sure, Ill have a go at scanning it later although I am not sure how to put the picture on here? Can someone "host"? it for me?
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Postby CR500Dom » 30 Jun 2006, 17:47

UpNorth wrote:
Galgeth wrote:Oh and spotted your kadette in Retro Ford (May 2006, p117)...............
Don’t know how that managed to get into my library? :oops:


Have you got a scan of this so we can have a look? (unfortunately the local library, a.k.a. WHSmiths, doesn't have the May issue).


Its in The members cars section on here as well :wink:

http://www.chevettes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11377
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Postby Galgeth » 06 Jul 2006, 12:44

UpNorth wrote:Have you got a scan of this so we can have a look?


Sorry "UpNorth" I dont seem to have the magazine anymore! It has vanished since I moved out of my student digs. In all honesty it wasnt all that amazing, just a pic of the rear of Doms car with the caption "and a potentially cool kadette". If it ever reappears I will be sure to let you know.

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