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Postby turdstake » 18 Aug 2005, 22:34

Great thread... developing really well. So we are still undecided on the carlton gearbox issue. As for the comment about 'use the manta box cos you'll need the manta sump/dipstick etc', perhaps you could use these parts off a carlton too...? I dont know if the sump will be any use but at least it will be 'correct' for a RWD installation, i.e. not deeper at one side than the other and so on.

If anyone finds a definitive answer to this question, can they bung it on here?
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Postby Herbie_Flowers » 18 Aug 2005, 22:43

a carlton sump would be good if you got the hammer out unless of course you were thinking of dry sumping it :)
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Postby hsr2.6 » 18 Aug 2005, 22:57

is'nt a carlton sump to the front
rally drivers do it sideways.............well the quick ones do....................
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Postby Herbie_Flowers » 18 Aug 2005, 23:03

yea but i think it still hits the crossmember
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Postby penski » 19 Aug 2005, 10:31

Modify the crossmember?

Once I get my saloon, I'm gonna take a lot of measurements...

does it foun the back or front of the crossmember?

If back, good. Move the engine further back - better weight distribution.

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Postby Herbie_Flowers » 19 Aug 2005, 13:56

modifying suspension components is the last thing you want to do when sump modification is easier, cheaper and, more importantly, safer.
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Postby penski » 19 Aug 2005, 17:01

Remove the bulkhead forward, build a spaceframe/subframe/engine cradle using the modified locost design. Job done ;)

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Postby turdstake » 19 Aug 2005, 17:17

I'm asking if a carlton sump fits, in order to avoid doing tons of fabrication! Does anyone know if it fits or not!!!!!!! AAaarrrggghhhh!

Please can no-one answer unless they have a semi-knowledgeable answer to this question.

I thik i'm probably asking in the wrong place!
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Postby Neilyman » 19 Aug 2005, 17:22

turdsteak wrote:I'm asking if a carlton sump fits, in order to avoid doing tons of fabrication! Does anyone know if it fits or not!!!!!!! AAaarrrggghhhh!

Please can no-one answer unless they have a semi-knowledgeable answer to this question.

I think i'm probably asking in the wrong place!



I think you might be!, If no ones done it, they can`t give you an answer.
Tell you what Mr B, you try it & post your findings here, then we`ll all know.

BTW, ppl can post if they want to, you`ve just to find the answer you want amongst the drivel ;)
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Postby Herbie_Flowers » 19 Aug 2005, 19:14

turdsteak wrote:Please can no-one answer unless they have a semi-knowledgeable answer to this question.

do my answers qualify as being semi-knowledgeable?
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Postby shuvit-tim » 19 Aug 2005, 19:15

the only way to know is to try. We have had many new conversion ideas and all have fallen foul of the same problem - no-one has actually tried them :lol:
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Postby turdstake » 19 Aug 2005, 23:50

Herbie_Flowers wrote:
turdsteak wrote:Please can no-one answer unless they have a semi-knowledgeable answer to this question.

do my answers qualify as being semi-knowledgeable?


Well I have re-read them and i'm afraid they seem to be 100% supposition, so in light of this and the apparent absence of any concrete facts I have to say - no.

Sorry.
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Postby shuvit-tim » 20 Aug 2005, 00:43

i can guarantee you no-one on this forum has attempted this conversion.

so supposition is as good as you will get. but the advantages of a thread like this is by bouncing ideas around you can normally work out what will work, what wont and how to work round problems. As knowledge goes - herbie knows his beans - so i would say his comments were useful
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Postby hsr2.6 » 20 Aug 2005, 09:24

it's easy ,if the sump is at the flywheel end then it will fit
rally drivers do it sideways.............well the quick ones do....................
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Postby Shoveitpusher » 21 Aug 2005, 07:53

you seem to want a risk free answer to the conversion. well the risk free answer is use a manta setup.

we did the carlton box - opinion seems to be a good chance it will fit. now you want the engine. there is no engine answer it's not been done. the best you'll get is considered opinion and you'll have to decide what sounds good.

if your going to do this regardless then good luck and i hope it goes well and let us know how you get on. if your waiting for the answers before starting then i think you'll be better off getting a manta and then we can supply the answers.
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Postby turdstake » 21 Aug 2005, 18:02

Fair enough - good answer.
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Postby colin » 22 Aug 2005, 23:44

i know that the sump from a carlton will not fit cause the bellie pan is on the wrong side and the gearbow will fit cause i have done it. make your own mount remove the old spot welded ones on the tunnel and it will fit there u go hows that oh and dont use carlton gear linkage to long use manta 1
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Postby shuvit-tim » 23 Aug 2005, 00:33

what engine did you run colin?
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Postby turdstake » 23 Aug 2005, 07:23

Marvellous!

But, that means you still need a manta gearbox, for the gearlever extension. I suppose you could get that from a manta 'cam-in-head' engine, those gearboxes are not so sought after.

Just what I wanted to know, cheers!
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Postby iety2004 » 23 Aug 2005, 09:01

I belive the CIH engine gearboxes have a different bellhousing pattern to the OHC engines,

can anybody confirm this, or do you just want the CIH gearbox to nick the linkage?

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Postby Herbie_Flowers » 23 Aug 2005, 12:39

iety2004 wrote:I belive the CIH engine gearboxes have a different bellhousing pattern to the OHC engines

sorry no suppositions on this thread...facts only :)
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Postby turdstake » 23 Aug 2005, 20:06

It is a fact that the CIH and 1800 'boxes do have different bellhousing stud patterns.

So we have learnt that you CAN use a carlton box rather than a Manta 1.8 one, but the gearlever will be in the wrong place. You could get around this by using a gearlever extension from a manta CIH box.

All sounds a bit of a carry-on, but as those manta 1.8 boxes get rarer it might be worth bearing in mind.
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Postby shuvit-tim » 23 Aug 2005, 23:36

no we dont know whether the linkage from the box on the CIH and the OHC box is the same yet
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Postby Shoveitpusher » 24 Aug 2005, 11:14

it could mean the carton gear lever is too long not necessarily in the wrong place or have too long a throw.

mine does not use the standard gearbox mounts, it has a cross member bolted to the floor with suitable reinforcement now (origionally it just bolted to the floor)
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Postby shuvit-tim » 24 Aug 2005, 11:24

whats the reinforcement? welded steel plates?
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